Just got off the phone with my Honored Ancestor, and he reminded me that in the late 60s/ early 70s San Francisco police used mounted units to help quell the "peace" riots. The loving, peaceful hippies used to circulate flyers advising potential demonstrators to sharpen the butt ends of their sign staves and use them to jab police mounts in the belly, as hard as they could. Causing a horse an injury- maybe a fatal one- was rationalized as being the same as setting fire to a patrol car.
Hell of a way to express your love of all life, isn't it?
B45
Mounted Police Today
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<br />Just got off the phone with my Honored Ancestor, and he reminded me that in the late 60s/ early 70s San Francisco police used mounted units to help quell the "peace" riots. The loving, peaceful hippies used to circulate flyers advising potential demonstrators to sharpen the butt ends of their sign staves and use them to jab police mounts in the belly, as hard as they could. Causing a horse an injury- maybe a fatal one- was rationalized as being the same as setting fire to a patrol car.
Hell of a way to express your love of all life, isn't it?
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That style of peaceful expression is stil be used only the tactics have evolved to a greater level of deviant efficiency.
I wont go into details as it only serves to enlighten those bent on such activity; however there are websites and "Professional Protesters" that instruct demonstrators in such criminal acts. Make no mistake abnout it, it is a criminal offense to do such actions.
In todays world a mounted officer in crowd contol duty is at high risk for him and his mount.
Regards,
Ron Smith
<br />Just got off the phone with my Honored Ancestor, and he reminded me that in the late 60s/ early 70s San Francisco police used mounted units to help quell the "peace" riots. The loving, peaceful hippies used to circulate flyers advising potential demonstrators to sharpen the butt ends of their sign staves and use them to jab police mounts in the belly, as hard as they could. Causing a horse an injury- maybe a fatal one- was rationalized as being the same as setting fire to a patrol car.
Hell of a way to express your love of all life, isn't it?
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That style of peaceful expression is stil be used only the tactics have evolved to a greater level of deviant efficiency.
I wont go into details as it only serves to enlighten those bent on such activity; however there are websites and "Professional Protesters" that instruct demonstrators in such criminal acts. Make no mistake abnout it, it is a criminal offense to do such actions.
In todays world a mounted officer in crowd contol duty is at high risk for him and his mount.
Regards,
Ron Smith
Pat, Carabinieri were born in 1813 primarly as mounted police (the whole story is a little more complex but just to keep it short we can reduce it to this statement) they maintained this throughout their history. The ceremonial unit you are referring to are the Corazzieri, the "body guards" of the Italian President (former the guard of the King) They escort him in official ceremonies both horse- or motorbike- mounted. So Carabinieri has the last Regiment-size mounted cavalry unit of the Italian Army, complete with mounted fanfare, than there are the "Lancieri di Montebello" at Tor di Quinto Cavalry school which AFAIK only "put together" a mounted squadron in historical uniform for represenatative duties (such as the parade on June 2nd in Rome, the "Feast of the Republic"). All Italian Police Services (maybe with the only exception of the "Guardia di Finanza") maintain mounted patrols in the major cities, the State Police having also a centralized special unit for riot control.
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
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<br />Pat, Carabinieri were born in 1813 primarly as mounted police (the whole story is a little more complex but just to keep it short we can reduce it to this statement) they maintained this throughout their history. The ceremonial unit you are referring to are the Corazzieri, the "body guards" of the Italian President (former the guard of the King) They escort him in official ceremonies both horse- or motorbike- mounted. So Carabinieri has the last Regiment-size mounted cavalry unit of the Italian Army, complete with mounted fanfare, than there are the "Lancieri di Montebello" at Tor di Quinto Cavalry school which AFAIK only "put together" a mounted squadron in historical uniform for represenatative duties (such as the parade on June 2nd in Rome, the "Feast of the Republic"). All Italian Police Services (maybe with the only exception of the "Guardia di Finanza") maintain mounted patrols in the major cities, the State Police having also a centralized special unit for riot control.
Regards
Luigi
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Luigi,
Thanks for the added informaiton.
I have to confess I was unaware that Carabinieri were military police. I thought they were a militarized police force, but that's a little different. Interesting information.
Pat
<br />Pat, Carabinieri were born in 1813 primarly as mounted police (the whole story is a little more complex but just to keep it short we can reduce it to this statement) they maintained this throughout their history. The ceremonial unit you are referring to are the Corazzieri, the "body guards" of the Italian President (former the guard of the King) They escort him in official ceremonies both horse- or motorbike- mounted. So Carabinieri has the last Regiment-size mounted cavalry unit of the Italian Army, complete with mounted fanfare, than there are the "Lancieri di Montebello" at Tor di Quinto Cavalry school which AFAIK only "put together" a mounted squadron in historical uniform for represenatative duties (such as the parade on June 2nd in Rome, the "Feast of the Republic"). All Italian Police Services (maybe with the only exception of the "Guardia di Finanza") maintain mounted patrols in the major cities, the State Police having also a centralized special unit for riot control.
Regards
Luigi
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Luigi,
Thanks for the added informaiton.
I have to confess I was unaware that Carabinieri were military police. I thought they were a militarized police force, but that's a little different. Interesting information.
Pat
He, he, Pat, to understand the "status" of the Italian Carabinieri can cause a heavy headache also for an Italian (not to speak about all other police forces such as Guardia di Finanza, Guardia Forestale a.s.o.).
Basically they are quite like the french Gendarmerie or Spain's Guardia Civil. They belong to the Military and they *also* act as military police in the frame of the Italian Army, otherwise they carry out Police duties much like any other police force, being more present in little town and on the countryside than in the bigger cities, but they are basically interchangeable with the "civil" police. Then, they have specialized units (Helicopters, scuba, mountain atc.) and other units which are more "classical warfare" trained such as "carabinieri paracadutisti" of the Tuscania regiment or the "divisional units" based in Bolzano and Gorizia who make out the bulk of the Carabinieri force for missions abroad.
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
Basically they are quite like the french Gendarmerie or Spain's Guardia Civil. They belong to the Military and they *also* act as military police in the frame of the Italian Army, otherwise they carry out Police duties much like any other police force, being more present in little town and on the countryside than in the bigger cities, but they are basically interchangeable with the "civil" police. Then, they have specialized units (Helicopters, scuba, mountain atc.) and other units which are more "classical warfare" trained such as "carabinieri paracadutisti" of the Tuscania regiment or the "divisional units" based in Bolzano and Gorizia who make out the bulk of the Carabinieri force for missions abroad.
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
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<br />He, he, Pat, to understand the "status" of the Italian Carabinieri can cause a heavy headache also for an Italian (not to speak about all other police forces such as Guardia di Finanza, Guardia Forestale a.s.o.).
Basically they are quite like the french Gendarmerie or Spain's Guardia Civil. They belong to the Military and they *also* act as military police in the frame of the Italian Army, otherwise they carry out Police duties much like any other police force, being more present in little town and on the countryside than in the bigger cities, but they are basically interchangeable with the "civil" police. Then, they have specialized units (Helicopters, scuba, mountain atc.) and other units which are more "classical warfare" trained such as "carabinieri paracadutisti" of the Tuscania regiment or the "divisional units" based in Bolzano and Gorizia who make out the bulk of the Carabinieri force for missions abroad.
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
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Luigi,
Thanks again.
As you earlier noted, this would mean that the Carabinieri provide an actual example of an Army mounted unit in Europe today. True, one whose role tends towards police functions, but military none the less. I'd wholly missed this. Very interesting.
Pat
<br />He, he, Pat, to understand the "status" of the Italian Carabinieri can cause a heavy headache also for an Italian (not to speak about all other police forces such as Guardia di Finanza, Guardia Forestale a.s.o.).
Basically they are quite like the french Gendarmerie or Spain's Guardia Civil. They belong to the Military and they *also* act as military police in the frame of the Italian Army, otherwise they carry out Police duties much like any other police force, being more present in little town and on the countryside than in the bigger cities, but they are basically interchangeable with the "civil" police. Then, they have specialized units (Helicopters, scuba, mountain atc.) and other units which are more "classical warfare" trained such as "carabinieri paracadutisti" of the Tuscania regiment or the "divisional units" based in Bolzano and Gorizia who make out the bulk of the Carabinieri force for missions abroad.
Regards
Luigi
Luigi
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Luigi,
Thanks again.
As you earlier noted, this would mean that the Carabinieri provide an actual example of an Army mounted unit in Europe today. True, one whose role tends towards police functions, but military none the less. I'd wholly missed this. Very interesting.
Pat
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Hello everyone. This is my first post.
I live in Chile, so I'm constantly in contact with mounted police. Our Carabineros have a long and fine ecuestrian tradition with Olimpic medal wining riders. Like the Italian Carabineri, our national police force was created from a military mounted unit. The term Carabinero (probably obscure to native English speakers) means "carabine soldier", that is a cavalry rifleman.
The Carabineros de Yungay cavalry regiment fought in the War of the Pacific of 1879 that was fought between Chile and the Second Perú-Bolivia Confederation. Carabineros were transported north to Perú and their merchant ship was captured by the perubian navy flagship Huascar, a monitor. The Carabineros threw the armament and horses overboard (yes the horses drowned[:(]) and spend the rest of the war as POWs. This made them higly impopular, as Army and Navy troops fought many heroic (to the point of suicidical) actions. They were punished and relegated to internal security missions. (Very few people know this in Chile)
The good news is that they evolved in what is arguably the best national police of Latin America and one of the 5 best national policeforces in the world. Some 77 years ago they absorved municipal police forces and made the national force. They are a militarized civilian police force with military functions.
I know that sounds weird but I can explain (I'm writing a thesis on Military Police collaboration). Civilian police is what local police are in the US. Also what FBI tipe police do. (like Chile's Investigation Police). Militarized police is uniformed civilian police under military discipline, they live in barracs, etc. like Chile's Gendarmery (prision guard police). They are not Military Police (the soldiers with MP helments that keep discipline, direct trafic, etc).
Civilian militarized police with military functions are what most countries call gendarmeries (Turkey, Argentina). The Italian Carabineri are this. Tipically they are border guards and have combat missions in war time in addition to normal policing. Hope that clarified things a bit.
Carabineros uses mounted units for lots of things. We have the CUADRO VERDE (Green Cadre) that does ecuestrian demostrations and stunts. We have around 300 mounted police in Santiago, the capital. Yes, 300 (New York has 100), but I'm including the ecuestrian school "Escuela de Equitación de Carabineros de Chile del General Oscar Cristi Gallo". The school does a bunch of things for civilians like sports, polo and therapy for crippled children. "Hipoterapia" mounting helps kids because of the movement of the horse. They also have rural/frontier mounted police. Investigations Police, CONAF (park rangers) also have a few mounted rural units. Riot police use lots of horses. They impose a lot of respect! As the pic posted earlier on this thread shows, the horses wear protective visors, just like the troops.
I agree with lots of the posts of this thread: mounted police can really enchance police/civilian relations. Everybody wants to take their picture with a mounted policeman. I'll try and get my father to lend me a digital camera and do just that!
I live in the center of Santiago (population 5-6 million) and we have a lot of mounted police patrolls around. Recently they have adopted all sort of new equipment that I'll try to get pictures of, like plastic riding helments and something unique (at least in Chile, maybe it's old abroad) rubber shoes on the horses' hoofs!
For a police force with a big mounted tradition, they sure post little horse images on the net. The website of the mounted school is down.
This is the best picture I found (a PDF copy of a special edition newspaper. It's Arms Square, the heart of Santiago. Notice the Equestrian statue of Spanish Conquistador Pedro de Valdivia and the horse's "shoes")
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012731.pdf
Friendly Carabineros stand the cold in Niebla (I just put this because I went there for may honeymoon)
http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/photos ... two_es.htm
This pic is really small (most of what I found is. A shame) but it should give an impresion of the stunts done by the Cuadro Verde.
Yes, he is galloping upside down.
http://www.estrellaloa.cl/site/edic/200 ... 24345.html
Soon I'll post in the thread of foreign military cavalry traditions. The Army (I'm an ex cadet) has mounted combat units, mule mountain artillery and a glorious ecuestrian tradition with the high jump world record of Capitán Alberto Larraguibel jumping 2.47 meters in Febrery 1949, mounted on "Huaso" a standing record.
Hello everyone. This is my first post.
I live in Chile, so I'm constantly in contact with mounted police. Our Carabineros have a long and fine ecuestrian tradition with Olimpic medal wining riders. Like the Italian Carabineri, our national police force was created from a military mounted unit. The term Carabinero (probably obscure to native English speakers) means "carabine soldier", that is a cavalry rifleman.
The Carabineros de Yungay cavalry regiment fought in the War of the Pacific of 1879 that was fought between Chile and the Second Perú-Bolivia Confederation. Carabineros were transported north to Perú and their merchant ship was captured by the perubian navy flagship Huascar, a monitor. The Carabineros threw the armament and horses overboard (yes the horses drowned[:(]) and spend the rest of the war as POWs. This made them higly impopular, as Army and Navy troops fought many heroic (to the point of suicidical) actions. They were punished and relegated to internal security missions. (Very few people know this in Chile)
The good news is that they evolved in what is arguably the best national police of Latin America and one of the 5 best national policeforces in the world. Some 77 years ago they absorved municipal police forces and made the national force. They are a militarized civilian police force with military functions.
I know that sounds weird but I can explain (I'm writing a thesis on Military Police collaboration). Civilian police is what local police are in the US. Also what FBI tipe police do. (like Chile's Investigation Police). Militarized police is uniformed civilian police under military discipline, they live in barracs, etc. like Chile's Gendarmery (prision guard police). They are not Military Police (the soldiers with MP helments that keep discipline, direct trafic, etc).
Civilian militarized police with military functions are what most countries call gendarmeries (Turkey, Argentina). The Italian Carabineri are this. Tipically they are border guards and have combat missions in war time in addition to normal policing. Hope that clarified things a bit.
Carabineros uses mounted units for lots of things. We have the CUADRO VERDE (Green Cadre) that does ecuestrian demostrations and stunts. We have around 300 mounted police in Santiago, the capital. Yes, 300 (New York has 100), but I'm including the ecuestrian school "Escuela de Equitación de Carabineros de Chile del General Oscar Cristi Gallo". The school does a bunch of things for civilians like sports, polo and therapy for crippled children. "Hipoterapia" mounting helps kids because of the movement of the horse. They also have rural/frontier mounted police. Investigations Police, CONAF (park rangers) also have a few mounted rural units. Riot police use lots of horses. They impose a lot of respect! As the pic posted earlier on this thread shows, the horses wear protective visors, just like the troops.
I agree with lots of the posts of this thread: mounted police can really enchance police/civilian relations. Everybody wants to take their picture with a mounted policeman. I'll try and get my father to lend me a digital camera and do just that!
I live in the center of Santiago (population 5-6 million) and we have a lot of mounted police patrolls around. Recently they have adopted all sort of new equipment that I'll try to get pictures of, like plastic riding helments and something unique (at least in Chile, maybe it's old abroad) rubber shoes on the horses' hoofs!
For a police force with a big mounted tradition, they sure post little horse images on the net. The website of the mounted school is down.
This is the best picture I found (a PDF copy of a special edition newspaper. It's Arms Square, the heart of Santiago. Notice the Equestrian statue of Spanish Conquistador Pedro de Valdivia and the horse's "shoes")
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012731.pdf
Friendly Carabineros stand the cold in Niebla (I just put this because I went there for may honeymoon)
http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/photos ... two_es.htm
This pic is really small (most of what I found is. A shame) but it should give an impresion of the stunts done by the Cuadro Verde.
Yes, he is galloping upside down.
http://www.estrellaloa.cl/site/edic/200 ... 24345.html
Soon I'll post in the thread of foreign military cavalry traditions. The Army (I'm an ex cadet) has mounted combat units, mule mountain artillery and a glorious ecuestrian tradition with the high jump world record of Capitán Alberto Larraguibel jumping 2.47 meters in Febrery 1949, mounted on "Huaso" a standing record.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by george seal</i>
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Hello everyone. This is my first post.
I live in Chile, so I'm constantly in contact with mounted police. Our Carabineros have a long and fine ecuestrian tradition with Olimpic medal wining riders. Like the Italian Carabineri, our national police force was created from a military mounted unit. The term Carabinero (probably obscure to native English speakers) means "carabine soldier", that is a cavalry rifleman.
The Carabineros de Yungay cavalry regiment fought in the War of the Pacific of 1879 that was fought between Chile and the Second Perú-Bolivia Confederation. Carabineros were transported north to Perú and their merchant ship was captured by the perubian navy flagship Huascar, a monitor. The Carabineros threw the armament and horses overboard (yes the horses drowned[:(]) and spend the rest of the war as POWs. This made them higly impopular, as Army and Navy troops fought many heroic (to the point of suicidical) actions. They were punished and relegated to internal security missions. (Very few people know this in Chile)
The good news is that they evolved in what is arguably the best national police of Latin America and one of the 5 best national policeforces in the world. Some 77 years ago they absorved municipal police forces and made the national force. They are a militarized civilian police force with military functions.
I know that sounds weird but I can explain (I'm writing a thesis on Military Police collaboration). Civilian police is what local police are in the US. Also what FBI tipe police do. (like Chile's Investigation Police). Militarized police is uniformed civilian police under military discipline, they live in barracs, etc. like Chile's Gendarmery (prision guard police). They are not Military Police (the soldiers with MP helments that keep discipline, direct trafic, etc).
Civilian militarized police with military functions are what most countries call gendarmeries (Turkey, Argentina). The Italian Carabineri are this. Tipically they are border guards and have combat missions in war time in addition to normal policing. Hope that clarified things a bit.
Carabineros uses mounted units for lots of things. We have the CUADRO VERDE (Green Cadre) that does ecuestrian demostrations and stunts. We have around 300 mounted police in Santiago, the capital. Yes, 300 (New York has 100), but I'm including the ecuestrian school "Escuela de Equitación de Carabineros de Chile del General Oscar Cristi Gallo". The school does a bunch of things for civilians like sports, polo and therapy for crippled children. "Hipoterapia" mounting helps kids because of the movement of the horse. They also have rural/frontier mounted police. Investigations Police, CONAF (park rangers) also have a few mounted rural units. Riot police use lots of horses. They impose a lot of respect! As the pic posted earlier on this thread shows, the horses wear protective visors, just like the troops.
I agree with lots of the posts of this thread: mounted police can really enchance police/civilian relations. Everybody wants to take their picture with a mounted policeman. I'll try and get my father to lend me a digital camera and do just that!
I live in the center of Santiago (population 5-6 million) and we have a lot of mounted police patrolls around. Recently they have adopted all sort of new equipment that I'll try to get pictures of, like plastic riding helments and something unique (at least in Chile, maybe it's old abroad) rubber shoes on the horses' hoofs!
For a police force with a big mounted tradition, they sure post little horse images on the net. The website of the mounted school is down.
This is the best picture I found (a PDF copy of a special edition newspaper. It's Arms Square, the heart of Santiago. Notice the Equestrian statue of Spanish Conquistador Pedro de Valdivia and the horse's "shoes")
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012731.pdf
Friendly Carabineros stand the cold in Niebla (I just put this because I went there for may honeymoon)
http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/photos ... two_es.htm
This pic is really small (most of what I found is. A shame) but it should give an impresion of the stunts done by the Cuadro Verde.
Yes, he is galloping upside down.
http://www.estrellaloa.cl/site/edic/200 ... 24345.html
Soon I'll post in the thread of foreign military cavalry traditions. The Army (I'm an ex cadet) has mounted combat units, mule mountain artillery and a glorious ecuestrian tradition with the high jump world record of Capitán Alberto Larraguibel jumping 2.47 meters in Febrery 1949, mounted on "Huaso" a standing record.
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Very interesing post.
The uniform that the Carbineros is quite interesting, strongly recalling European military uniforms of the mid 20th Century.
Pat
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Hello everyone. This is my first post.
I live in Chile, so I'm constantly in contact with mounted police. Our Carabineros have a long and fine ecuestrian tradition with Olimpic medal wining riders. Like the Italian Carabineri, our national police force was created from a military mounted unit. The term Carabinero (probably obscure to native English speakers) means "carabine soldier", that is a cavalry rifleman.
The Carabineros de Yungay cavalry regiment fought in the War of the Pacific of 1879 that was fought between Chile and the Second Perú-Bolivia Confederation. Carabineros were transported north to Perú and their merchant ship was captured by the perubian navy flagship Huascar, a monitor. The Carabineros threw the armament and horses overboard (yes the horses drowned[:(]) and spend the rest of the war as POWs. This made them higly impopular, as Army and Navy troops fought many heroic (to the point of suicidical) actions. They were punished and relegated to internal security missions. (Very few people know this in Chile)
The good news is that they evolved in what is arguably the best national police of Latin America and one of the 5 best national policeforces in the world. Some 77 years ago they absorved municipal police forces and made the national force. They are a militarized civilian police force with military functions.
I know that sounds weird but I can explain (I'm writing a thesis on Military Police collaboration). Civilian police is what local police are in the US. Also what FBI tipe police do. (like Chile's Investigation Police). Militarized police is uniformed civilian police under military discipline, they live in barracs, etc. like Chile's Gendarmery (prision guard police). They are not Military Police (the soldiers with MP helments that keep discipline, direct trafic, etc).
Civilian militarized police with military functions are what most countries call gendarmeries (Turkey, Argentina). The Italian Carabineri are this. Tipically they are border guards and have combat missions in war time in addition to normal policing. Hope that clarified things a bit.
Carabineros uses mounted units for lots of things. We have the CUADRO VERDE (Green Cadre) that does ecuestrian demostrations and stunts. We have around 300 mounted police in Santiago, the capital. Yes, 300 (New York has 100), but I'm including the ecuestrian school "Escuela de Equitación de Carabineros de Chile del General Oscar Cristi Gallo". The school does a bunch of things for civilians like sports, polo and therapy for crippled children. "Hipoterapia" mounting helps kids because of the movement of the horse. They also have rural/frontier mounted police. Investigations Police, CONAF (park rangers) also have a few mounted rural units. Riot police use lots of horses. They impose a lot of respect! As the pic posted earlier on this thread shows, the horses wear protective visors, just like the troops.
I agree with lots of the posts of this thread: mounted police can really enchance police/civilian relations. Everybody wants to take their picture with a mounted policeman. I'll try and get my father to lend me a digital camera and do just that!
I live in the center of Santiago (population 5-6 million) and we have a lot of mounted police patrolls around. Recently they have adopted all sort of new equipment that I'll try to get pictures of, like plastic riding helments and something unique (at least in Chile, maybe it's old abroad) rubber shoes on the horses' hoofs!
For a police force with a big mounted tradition, they sure post little horse images on the net. The website of the mounted school is down.
This is the best picture I found (a PDF copy of a special edition newspaper. It's Arms Square, the heart of Santiago. Notice the Equestrian statue of Spanish Conquistador Pedro de Valdivia and the horse's "shoes")
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012731.pdf
Friendly Carabineros stand the cold in Niebla (I just put this because I went there for may honeymoon)
http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/photos ... two_es.htm
This pic is really small (most of what I found is. A shame) but it should give an impresion of the stunts done by the Cuadro Verde.
Yes, he is galloping upside down.
http://www.estrellaloa.cl/site/edic/200 ... 24345.html
Soon I'll post in the thread of foreign military cavalry traditions. The Army (I'm an ex cadet) has mounted combat units, mule mountain artillery and a glorious ecuestrian tradition with the high jump world record of Capitán Alberto Larraguibel jumping 2.47 meters in Febrery 1949, mounted on "Huaso" a standing record.
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Very interesing post.
The uniform that the Carbineros is quite interesting, strongly recalling European military uniforms of the mid 20th Century.
Pat
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You interested in Carabinero uniforms Pat?
The Carabineros were founded 77 years ago by President Carlos Ibañez, an Army General who also formed the Air Force.
The original uniform was basically the grey Army uniform of Prussian inspiration. The Carabinero's uniform was switched to green, the color of order. Apparently the Carabineros never used the Prussian helment (the leather one with the spike) adopted by the Army. I used one as a cadet, way cool but unconfortable to clean up.
The gobernment does not like Carabineros' to be in the Defence Ministry or related to the Army. They have an unsuccesfull campaign to demilitarice them. Now they want to change their uniforms.
Take a look at the new uniform proposal: (scroll down)
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012922.pdf
The proposed summer uniform is awfull. No Carabinero will ever put it on.
The Carabineros were founded 77 years ago by President Carlos Ibañez, an Army General who also formed the Air Force.
The original uniform was basically the grey Army uniform of Prussian inspiration. The Carabinero's uniform was switched to green, the color of order. Apparently the Carabineros never used the Prussian helment (the leather one with the spike) adopted by the Army. I used one as a cadet, way cool but unconfortable to clean up.
The gobernment does not like Carabineros' to be in the Defence Ministry or related to the Army. They have an unsuccesfull campaign to demilitarice them. Now they want to change their uniforms.
Take a look at the new uniform proposal: (scroll down)
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012922.pdf
The proposed summer uniform is awfull. No Carabinero will ever put it on.
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Take a look at the new uniform proposal: (scroll down)
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012922.pdf
The proposed summer uniform is awfull. No Carabinero will ever put it on.
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Lt. Dangle?
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Take a look at the new uniform proposal: (scroll down)
http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercur ... 012922.pdf
The proposed summer uniform is awfull. No Carabinero will ever put it on.
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Lt. Dangle?
Speaking from experience I can fully understand & sympathise with the officers there are rebelling against that uniform.
The shorts style uniform is ludicrous, plus such a uniform is not very protective to the wearer and bears no official presence as compared to many other options. Although that style is popular here in the US with many agencies I find far more officers that despise it than like it.
We had a saying in our agencie that holds true just about anywhere: We (cops) wear uniforms designed and purchased by those who don't wear them, drive patrol vehicles designed and purchased by thise who don't use them and enforce laws made by those who are immune from them. Apparently that same axiom holds in South America.....
Regards,
Ron Smith
The shorts style uniform is ludicrous, plus such a uniform is not very protective to the wearer and bears no official presence as compared to many other options. Although that style is popular here in the US with many agencies I find far more officers that despise it than like it.
We had a saying in our agencie that holds true just about anywhere: We (cops) wear uniforms designed and purchased by those who don't wear them, drive patrol vehicles designed and purchased by thise who don't use them and enforce laws made by those who are immune from them. Apparently that same axiom holds in South America.....
Regards,
Ron Smith
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Is that a bicycle officer's uniform? It is quite simliar to the one I see here for the officer who rides a bike. I've never liked the uniform.
Pat
The use of green, and previously field grey, is interesting in these uniforms in that it recalls military uniforms at the likely time of adoption. Simliarly, the use of scarlet by the NWMP/RCMP, and blue by various US police forces likewise recalls military uniforms. I suppose the khaki uniform used by many sheriff's offices does as well, noting that at least in the West Sheriff's offices adopted uniforms, as a rule, later than police forces did.
Pat
The use of green, and previously field grey, is interesting in these uniforms in that it recalls military uniforms at the likely time of adoption. Simliarly, the use of scarlet by the NWMP/RCMP, and blue by various US police forces likewise recalls military uniforms. I suppose the khaki uniform used by many sheriff's offices does as well, noting that at least in the West Sheriff's offices adopted uniforms, as a rule, later than police forces did.
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According to the drawing, it's a Summer uniform, but it is certainly similar to the US Border Patrol Bike uniform worn here on the border.
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So it's not just me not liking it!
Pat, the uniform is green because green is the color of order.
Pat, the uniform is green because green is the color of order.
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Pat, Joe, Paul and Ron, and all the others, I wasn't dead or missing, or abducted by aliens, but up to mi neck in paperwork for the last months so I haven't put aside some time to visit the forums very often or to post anything.
When I was writing originally this text was, last Saturday morning, (was 12:42 PM in Chile) and I was at ¡¡My office!!! working [V] instead of spending some time with wife and kid, but that's how life is right now.
First of all, I want to welcome my countryman at the forum George Seal, (BTW not a very Spanish name, English ancestors perhaps?, I have some Irish in my family tree)
Regarding the picture of a fallen Chilean policeman that Pat brought to my attention, I want to explain how the circumstances were that accident happened.
Bigger picture:
Smaller picture:
That happened on May the 21st, during the annual State of the Nation Speech given by the current President Mr. Lagos, in front of both houses of Congress. As is a little off topic, I'll provide some historic background on the significance to us of May, 21st on another thread.
Before that day left wing demonstrators threatened to march against the government so a strong National Police contingent was deployed, among them, Mounted Units. For what I know that fall was not caused by the action of the rioters but because of the street being slippery (was raining all day). Fortunately, neither horse or rider where severely injured. On the other hand, in a tragic accident that day a motorist in the Presidential motorcade slipped over and die.
Nevertheless the incidents were serious, a thing that Chileans are not used to in the last 10 years
I have provided this information before, but it’s useful to post it again.
At the turn of the century President Germán Riesco ordered that the cavalry regiments Dragones (Dragoons), Lanceros (Lancers), Guías (Guides) y Cazadores (Chasseurs) detached an squadron each and put them under orders of the Secretary of the Interior (which in Chile is tasked with public safety) . That way they formed in 1902 the “Gendarmerie Regiment” to quell with rural delinquency, later it was called “Regiment of Carabineers”, and later Carabineers Corps . After 1927 this unit along with municipal urban polices and another rural unit that operates along the “Frontier” the “Colonies Gendarmerie” ( the territory seized from the araucanos - our native Americans) were put together as national police of military character called “Carabineros de Chile”.
I’ve made this prologue to explain that here in Chile the national police – Carabineros – has a strong horse tradition, as strong as the army’s, and they compete to each other every year in the equestrian championships. They also have an equitation school and policemen that serves on the border - officers and troop - have to be horse qualified.
Mounted services at the major cities were suspended in the early sixties but they were reinstated in a small scale in 1987 when the Pope visit Chile. Due to the positive outcome, they’ve been thoroughly expanded in every major city - and beach resorts during summer - and lately a whole precinct was transformed to mounted service in Santiago, the 51 Mounted Precinct, with more that 120 troopers, that can be expanded to up to 300 if the need arises with horse qualified personnel from the Officer’s Academy, NCOs School and Equitation School.
These are from the national police (Carabineros) cavalry acrobatic team, calle Green Cadre
Border patrol armed with Model 57 Sig Swiss made assault rifles 308 Win caliber.
Not very good looking horses, sometimes at the border Carabineros purchase horses directly from local farmers, usually with some Chilean Criollo blood in them, terrific when it comes to the mountains, but not for show.
¿Maybe Mules?
Patrolling at the northern city of Antofagasta, during National Holidays, September 21, 2003.
Patrolling at the northern city of Iquique (formerly peruvian), January 13, 2002.
First Sargeant Fernández showing the italian made rubber horseshoes of the Bosana brand ($77 the 4 piece set) in use in downtown Santiago.
Policemen, excusem me, Policepersons at service at Santiago downtown, present day, passing in front of the equestrian statue of don Pedro de Valdivia, the spanish conquistador who in February 12, 1541 founded Santiago del Nuevo Extremo, my town, to be latter killed in the south by the araucanos, pretty good horsemen themselves.
Duty in the southern backcountry, ¡¡¡good flyfihing indeed!!![8D].
Cadets of the Carabineros Officer’s Academy. The riding boots are part of the standard uniform of the male students.
This picture was taken in August 1973, it shows Air Force CinC General Gustavo Leigh Guzmán, as he leaves La Moneda (the Presidential Palace) and a Guard of Palace – a corporal stands by (look at his boots).
On September 11, 1973 Leigh ordered the bombardment of the Palace in order to force Allende’s surrender, and when the british made Hawker Hunter fighter bombers hit, the Palace caught fire, causing the image the left worships.
And finally, an odd picture. This picture has created controversy because the photographer didn’t see the small ¿thing? That later appeared when he developed the shot of the 2 policemen.
When I was writing originally this text was, last Saturday morning, (was 12:42 PM in Chile) and I was at ¡¡My office!!! working [V] instead of spending some time with wife and kid, but that's how life is right now.
First of all, I want to welcome my countryman at the forum George Seal, (BTW not a very Spanish name, English ancestors perhaps?, I have some Irish in my family tree)
Regarding the picture of a fallen Chilean policeman that Pat brought to my attention, I want to explain how the circumstances were that accident happened.
Bigger picture:
Smaller picture:
That happened on May the 21st, during the annual State of the Nation Speech given by the current President Mr. Lagos, in front of both houses of Congress. As is a little off topic, I'll provide some historic background on the significance to us of May, 21st on another thread.
Before that day left wing demonstrators threatened to march against the government so a strong National Police contingent was deployed, among them, Mounted Units. For what I know that fall was not caused by the action of the rioters but because of the street being slippery (was raining all day). Fortunately, neither horse or rider where severely injured. On the other hand, in a tragic accident that day a motorist in the Presidential motorcade slipped over and die.
Nevertheless the incidents were serious, a thing that Chileans are not used to in the last 10 years
I have provided this information before, but it’s useful to post it again.
At the turn of the century President Germán Riesco ordered that the cavalry regiments Dragones (Dragoons), Lanceros (Lancers), Guías (Guides) y Cazadores (Chasseurs) detached an squadron each and put them under orders of the Secretary of the Interior (which in Chile is tasked with public safety) . That way they formed in 1902 the “Gendarmerie Regiment” to quell with rural delinquency, later it was called “Regiment of Carabineers”, and later Carabineers Corps . After 1927 this unit along with municipal urban polices and another rural unit that operates along the “Frontier” the “Colonies Gendarmerie” ( the territory seized from the araucanos - our native Americans) were put together as national police of military character called “Carabineros de Chile”.
I’ve made this prologue to explain that here in Chile the national police – Carabineros – has a strong horse tradition, as strong as the army’s, and they compete to each other every year in the equestrian championships. They also have an equitation school and policemen that serves on the border - officers and troop - have to be horse qualified.
Mounted services at the major cities were suspended in the early sixties but they were reinstated in a small scale in 1987 when the Pope visit Chile. Due to the positive outcome, they’ve been thoroughly expanded in every major city - and beach resorts during summer - and lately a whole precinct was transformed to mounted service in Santiago, the 51 Mounted Precinct, with more that 120 troopers, that can be expanded to up to 300 if the need arises with horse qualified personnel from the Officer’s Academy, NCOs School and Equitation School.
These are from the national police (Carabineros) cavalry acrobatic team, calle Green Cadre
Border patrol armed with Model 57 Sig Swiss made assault rifles 308 Win caliber.
Not very good looking horses, sometimes at the border Carabineros purchase horses directly from local farmers, usually with some Chilean Criollo blood in them, terrific when it comes to the mountains, but not for show.
¿Maybe Mules?
Patrolling at the northern city of Antofagasta, during National Holidays, September 21, 2003.
Patrolling at the northern city of Iquique (formerly peruvian), January 13, 2002.
First Sargeant Fernández showing the italian made rubber horseshoes of the Bosana brand ($77 the 4 piece set) in use in downtown Santiago.
Policemen, excusem me, Policepersons at service at Santiago downtown, present day, passing in front of the equestrian statue of don Pedro de Valdivia, the spanish conquistador who in February 12, 1541 founded Santiago del Nuevo Extremo, my town, to be latter killed in the south by the araucanos, pretty good horsemen themselves.
Duty in the southern backcountry, ¡¡¡good flyfihing indeed!!![8D].
Cadets of the Carabineros Officer’s Academy. The riding boots are part of the standard uniform of the male students.
This picture was taken in August 1973, it shows Air Force CinC General Gustavo Leigh Guzmán, as he leaves La Moneda (the Presidential Palace) and a Guard of Palace – a corporal stands by (look at his boots).
On September 11, 1973 Leigh ordered the bombardment of the Palace in order to force Allende’s surrender, and when the british made Hawker Hunter fighter bombers hit, the Palace caught fire, causing the image the left worships.
And finally, an odd picture. This picture has created controversy because the photographer didn’t see the small ¿thing? That later appeared when he developed the shot of the 2 policemen.
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A Carabinero with an Alien! Wow!
Thanks Oscar for the info on the rubber horseshoe covers. I was curious. And yes, my paternal family is Brittish from Brighton
Thanks Oscar for the info on the rubber horseshoe covers. I was curious. And yes, my paternal family is Brittish from Brighton
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Oscar, neat stuff, thank!
Pat
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by wkambic</i>
<br />Pat, as a "round" person I find the 31MZW (relaxed fit cowboy cut) Wranglers to be quite comfortable for most things. Being frugal, I buy the rigid indigo model for $18-19 the pair, depending on who has them on sale (Shepplers, Drysdales, etc.).
Boot wise, I have large, flat feet with one being just over 11E and other being just under 12E. For many years I have had to "bite the bullet" and get boots custom made. I did recently find a pair of lace up Ariats that were comfortable, but that's a rare occurence.
The most comfortable riding pants I have are the WWII Impressions reproduction cavalry breeches. I hope to add a third pair when Santa comes to call![:)]
Bill Kambic
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While off topic to the thread, and using this part of it as an excuse, has anybody noted that Levis 501s have mysteriously changed cut since they are no longer made in the US, Canada or Mexico? They're suddenly baggier, based on those I recently purchased. Bummer too, as I've worn them forever.
My more learned colleages have pointed out to me that they are really not riding trousers (thanks Ron and Philip), but I'm so used to wearing them that the change is really irritating. I may have to look for a new pair of cowpunching pants.
Pat
<br />Pat, as a "round" person I find the 31MZW (relaxed fit cowboy cut) Wranglers to be quite comfortable for most things. Being frugal, I buy the rigid indigo model for $18-19 the pair, depending on who has them on sale (Shepplers, Drysdales, etc.).
Boot wise, I have large, flat feet with one being just over 11E and other being just under 12E. For many years I have had to "bite the bullet" and get boots custom made. I did recently find a pair of lace up Ariats that were comfortable, but that's a rare occurence.
The most comfortable riding pants I have are the WWII Impressions reproduction cavalry breeches. I hope to add a third pair when Santa comes to call![:)]
Bill Kambic
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While off topic to the thread, and using this part of it as an excuse, has anybody noted that Levis 501s have mysteriously changed cut since they are no longer made in the US, Canada or Mexico? They're suddenly baggier, based on those I recently purchased. Bummer too, as I've worn them forever.
My more learned colleages have pointed out to me that they are really not riding trousers (thanks Ron and Philip), but I'm so used to wearing them that the change is really irritating. I may have to look for a new pair of cowpunching pants.
Pat
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pat Holscher</i>
<br />Italian Mounted police, Oct 29:
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ ... alt101.jpg
Pat
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Nice pic with the Coliseum in the background. Are they Carabineros or a local municipal police?
Speaking of Carabineros. I took some pictures last month. As soon as I develop them I'll try to post them in this thread.
<br />Italian Mounted police, Oct 29:
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ ... alt101.jpg
Pat
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Nice pic with the Coliseum in the background. Are they Carabineros or a local municipal police?
Speaking of Carabineros. I took some pictures last month. As soon as I develop them I'll try to post them in this thread.