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16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:05 pm
by Sam Cox
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16th Horse Platoon,1948

marked in pencil on reverse

I SHOOD EVERY HORSE IN THE PHOTO BUT AM I IN THE PICTURE(NO)NEXT CHRISTMAS CAMP CARSON

The farriers name is Peter Jensen T-3,he was 55 years old in 1948,i think at the time he was the oldest farrier in the Army and probably one of the last.He was known as "Uncle Pete" in the platoon.

In the last row there is actually a spot missing (the farriers position) and also the second last row,right side is the platoon medic.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:50 pm
by Sam Cox
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Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:27 pm
by Sam Cox
Tough crowd!

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:57 am
by Jim Bewley Φ
Great photo. as always, Sam. :thumbup:

Jim

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:36 am
by Pat Holscher
Jim Bewley wrote:Great photo. as always, Sam. :thumbup:

Jim
I agree.

Somehow, I missed this photo when it was posted. It's a good one.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:57 am
by Pat Holscher
Sam Cox wrote: The farriers name is Peter Jensen T-3,he was 55 years old in 1948,i think at the time he was the oldest farrier in the Army and probably one of the last.He was known as "Uncle Pete" in the platoon.
Do you know anything else about Jensen? At that age he could have been in the Army as early 1911. Could have had an interesting career.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:26 pm
by Jim Bewley Φ
Looking at the foot position of the troopers (something I have been working on lately) most have their toes pointed out, but look at the officer. His feet seem to be rolled to the inside, turning the sole of the boot outward. Interesting.

Jim

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:37 pm
by Brian P.
Jim Bewley wrote:Looking at the foot position of the troopers (something I have been working on lately) most have their toes pointed out, but look at the officer. His feet seem to be rolled to the inside, turning the sole of the boot outward. Interesting.

Jim
I had noticed that as well. At first, I was a bit put off , as it looks like poor horsemanship on the officer's part. His feet seem too deep in the stirrups and there is little leg contact. His hands don't seem right,either. (I'd have to dig out our old thread on holding reins - perhaps that position is common for that period.) It's possible, I suppose, that the camera has caught him in the middle of correcting a fidgety horse. His hands and legs may both be moving backwards.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:16 pm
by Jim Bewley Φ
Brian P. wrote:
Jim Bewley wrote:Looking at the foot position of the troopers (something I have been working on lately) most have their toes pointed out, but look at the officer. His feet seem to be rolled to the inside, turning the sole of the boot outward. Interesting.

Jim
I had noticed that as well. At first, I was a bit put off , as it looks like poor horsemanship on the officer's part. His feet seem too deep in the stirrups and there is little leg contact. His hands don't seem right,either. (I'd have to dig out our old thread on holding reins - perhaps that position is common for that period.) It's possible, I suppose, that the camera has caught him in the middle of correcting a fidgety horse. His hands and legs may both be moving backwards.
Good call, the old "moment in time" thing. He might have just taken contact with his hands and is part way through a light kick, to start moving forward. impossible to really know, but fun to discuss. :D

Jim

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:37 am
by Pat Holscher
Interesting to also note all the outerwear headed towards obsolescence in the photo. All the ems are wearing their wool greatcoats, and the officer is wearing the trench coat, both of which were intended for field wear originally. Both clothing items featured a split in the skirt at the rear to accommodate mounted use.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:29 pm
by Kelton Oliver
Jim Bewley wrote:
Brian P. wrote:
Jim Bewley wrote:Looking at the foot position of the troopers (something I have been working on lately) most have their toes pointed out, but look at the officer. His feet seem to be rolled to the inside, turning the sole of the boot outward. Interesting.

Jim
I had noticed that as well. At first, I was a bit put off , as it looks like poor horsemanship on the officer's part. His feet seem too deep in the stirrups and there is little leg contact. His hands don't seem right,either. (I'd have to dig out our old thread on holding reins - perhaps that position is common for that period.) It's possible, I suppose, that the camera has caught him in the middle of correcting a fidgety horse. His hands and legs may both be moving backwards.
Good call, the old "moment in time" thing. He might have just taken contact with his hands and is part way through a light kick, to start moving forward. impossible to really know, but fun to discuss. :D

Jim
It almost looks as if he's rising slightly in his stirrups to adjust his seat. I'm always cautious about making generalizations about horsemanship from pictures of people sitting rather than riding. I'd bet all of us sit differently upon a stationary horse than we do when the horse is in motion.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:32 pm
by Kelton Oliver
One of the things I like about this photo is that it's one of the last times you see the chinstrap on the Army cap used for its original purpose. The "chinstrap" today is purely decorative and in fact isn't sturdy enough to be used this way.

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:49 pm
by Jim Bewley Φ
Kelton Oliver wrote:It almost looks as if he's rising slightly in his stirrups to adjust his seat. I'm always cautious about making generalizations about horsemanship from pictures of people sitting rather than riding. I'd bet all of us sit differently upon a stationary horse than we do when the horse is in motion.
I understand what you are saying and was only making an observation. Even if he is rising slightly, that is a severe angle to do even do that. It is no reflection of poor horsemanship, simply and "odd" position for his feet to be in, at that moment in time, for whatever reason. :)

Jim

Re: 16th Constabulary Horse Platoon(1948)

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:37 pm
by rayarthart
The gentleman on my left was a Cavalryman stationed on the Border in Austria with the Constabulary.