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Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:47 pm
by Pat Holscher
Pat Holscher wrote: A Russian language intelligence report was done on Japanese cavalry in China, and it was translated into English. Its:

Ermolayev. "Use of Japanese Cavalry in the War with China." Mil
Intell Div trans from Krasnava Konnitza, 1939, no 22. Typed
carbon, 8 Jul 1939. 4 p. U15A2C2519?
The text.
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=9174

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:14 pm
by Reiter
Thank you.

Here I found a picture of the japanese 1st Kav.Rgt. in Manchuria:
kav.1.jpg
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Its out of the book "Pferd&Reiter im Zweiten Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz.

Horrido!

Nicole

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:13 am
by Reiter
Here I got a good link on Japanese cavalry:

http://japanese-cavalry.cocolog-nifty.com/

In my opinion a very good site. I also wanted to contact them, but the mail on this page is out of function. I got every time an delivery error.
Has anybody an idea how to contact the people of this webpage? Or has anyone here contact to other collectors of japanese cavalry?

Here a foto I recently bought. :D
jap.kav..jpg
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Unit and year are unknown.

Horrido!

Nicole

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:46 am
by Pat Holscher
Reiter wrote:Here I got a good link on Japanese cavalry:

http://japanese-cavalry.cocolog-nifty.com/

In my opinion a very good site. I also wanted to contact them, but the mail on this page is out of function. I got every time an delivery error.
Has anybody an idea how to contact the people of this webpage? Or has anyone here contact to other collectors of japanese cavalry?
No idea, but the photos sure are interesting.
Here a foto I recently bought. :D
jap.kav..jpg
Unit and year are unknown.

Horrido!

Nicole
Congrats on the photo, and thanks for posting it here. I hope our putting in the ebay link at the start didn't mess up the bidding for you, but I sure appreciate your posting the actual photo here.

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:45 am
by Pat Holscher
Reiter wrote:
Here a foto I recently bought. :D
jap.kav..jpg
Unit and year are unknown.

Horrido!

Nicole
Is this cavalryman wearing goggles on his cap?

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:19 am
by Reiter
Is this cavalryman wearing goggles on his cap?
Yes, he is wearing dust goggles.

Horrido!

Nicole

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:29 am
by Pat Holscher
Can anyone comment on the saddle displays on that website? Is that tack actually based on German patterns, as Carter maintained? Are the displays correct?

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:31 am
by Reiter
Can anyone comment on the saddle displays on that website?
Which saddle you mean? Could you put in here the link?

Nicole

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:38 am
by Reiter
And here I have found in my book Die Reitkunst der Welt an den Olympischen Spielen 1936 by Gustav Rau, some photos of Baron Takeichi Nishi at the Olympics in Berlin 1936, where he participated with two horses in two equestrian disciplines, the Military with Ascot and Show-Jumping with Uranus.
Rittmeister Nishi auf Uranus.jpg
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Rittmeister Nishi auf Ascot.jpg
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Horrido!

Nicole

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:24 pm
by tmarsh
Pat, I think the saddle on the web site may be an officers model. I think there was one recently for sale on Ebay. I have a Japanese saddle that the cantle spoon was removed. I will be glad to email you some photos of it. The saddle is simalar to A 25 but also different. The tree on the Japanese is smaller and construction is different. Like the 25 it does come apart. The Japanese model is a one piece combination seat and flaps/ The seat is not welted like the 25 but is simply sewn on top of it. I also have the original stirrups. The saddle I purchase had the flocking coming out of it so I just added felt panels to it. I am also in the process of redoing a 25 and have made to panels out of felt for it also. Tom

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:26 pm
by Pat Holscher

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:19 am
by selewis
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Several years ago Pat posted this print for me. I believe we were talking about mounted bowmen at the time. Anyway, I thought that this thread would be an apt place to reinsert it. It is a Japanese woodblock print executed in the19th c (I'm guessing).

Philip, what say you? ukiyo-e tradition?

Sandy

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:30 pm
by Pat Holscher
From the 26th Cav thread:
Pat Holscher wrote:Great image of Japanese tanks in the Philippines with Japanese mounted troops in the column. Note the horse head gear, the second photo I've seen of that being done. I think they're palm fronds.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... es/237.jpg
Of course, I'm not sure if those soldiers are cavalrymen or not, but they are riding troops, anyhow.

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:12 pm
by FtValleyPS
Pat Holscher wrote:From the 26th Cav thread:
Pat Holscher wrote:Great image of Japanese tanks in the Philippines with Japanese mounted troops in the column. Note the horse head gear, the second photo I've seen of that being done. I think they're palm fronds.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... es/237.jpg
Of course, I'm not sure if those soldiers are cavalrymen or not, but they are riding troops, anyhow.
Pat, I see the tanks have stars on them .... and I don't mean to get us chasing rabbits here, because the intended topic is interesting, ....... but Japanese tanks with stars? I'm not sure I've ever noticed that before.

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:24 pm
by Pat Holscher
FtValleyPS wrote:
Pat Holscher wrote:From the 26th Cav thread:
Pat Holscher wrote:Great image of Japanese tanks in the Philippines with Japanese mounted troops in the column. Note the horse head gear, the second photo I've seen of that being done. I think they're palm fronds.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... es/237.jpg
Of course, I'm not sure if those soldiers are cavalrymen or not, but they are riding troops, anyhow.
Pat, I see the tanks have stars on them .... and I don't mean to get us chasing rabbits here, because the intended topic is interesting, ....... but Japanese tanks with stars? I'm not sure I've ever noticed that before.
Totally baffled me too, but I consulted with the experts, and the Japanese Army apparently painted yellow or OD stars on their tanks, if they were Army tanks. The Navy used the same, but with an anchor. As per the cap device.

If you look really carefully, there's a metal star up above the painted star.

I was also informed that these are Type 89 medium tanks.

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:37 pm
by Sam Cox
Note the sun hats on the animals

Japanese Cavalry did serve on the PIs during the occupation,not sure about invasion

During the occupation,the Japanese porteed the mounts as much as possible

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:21 am
by FtValleyPS
Sam Cox wrote:Note the sun hats on the animals

Japanese Cavalry did serve on the PIs during the occupation,not sure about invasion

During the occupation,the Japanese porteed the mounts as much as possible
The horses appear to be saddle horses adapted to packing lighter, perhaps improvised loads they weren't intended to carry?

Japanes cavalry in the Philippines

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:52 am
by Pat Holscher
Sam Cox wrote:Note the sun hats on the animals

Japanese Cavalry did serve on the PIs during the occupation,not sure about invasion

During the occupation,the Japanese porteed the mounts as much as possible
Can you expand on that? I didn't realize the Japanese used cavalry in the Philippines during their occupation. What role did it play, counter insurgency? Policing?

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:53 am
by Pat Holscher
FtValleyPS wrote:
Sam Cox wrote:Note the sun hats on the animals

Japanese Cavalry did serve on the PIs during the occupation,not sure about invasion

During the occupation,the Japanese porteed the mounts as much as possible
The horses appear to be saddle horses adapted to packing lighter, perhaps improvised loads they weren't intended to carry?
Interesting observation. I had assumed they were heavy saddle packs, but they may in fact be horse with some sort of pack loads.

Re: Japanese Cavalryman

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:42 pm
by Sam Cox
Japanese Cavalry saw service in platoon size strengths

Im not 100% that they belonged to Infantry regiments or not,Veteran acounts from Arthur K Whitehead(26th Cavalry) confirmed portee cavalry being used from 42 to 43

The Japanese riding addle could be packed in the same way with slung loads as per a mac or Packers saddle