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I just saw a TV presentation of the "Cuadro Verde" (green Cadre) the mounted exhibition unit of Chile's Carabineros. They showed a very interesting stunt the "estocadas" (literaly rapier thrust). It was tent pegging where a rider used his lance to stick it in very small round targets (filled with conffetti) and held in their mouths by carabineros standing in line at attention. This was done at full gallop. I had never seen any tent pegging ativity in Chile.

The Cuadro Verde still uses the old lances that the carabineros employed in combat (this police force was founded using an Army cavalry regiment). When he was joung, my grandfather got to see them employed for charges against crowds. He said it was a very terrible thing.

The Cuadro Verde is based at the mounted police school named after General Oscar Cristy (an olimpic gold medalist who was a friend of my grandfather). Their uniform is a green version of the grey prussian style army uniform I whore at military school, complete with field cap and high collar. (only with ridding boots and breeches).

This is an interesting Portland, Oregon forum discussion of the pros and cons of mounted police:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/290067.shtml

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Not a very objective group of people, for a group that claims to believe in "Tolerance," above all.

Love the cops comments at the end. [:D]

Kind of an unnpleasant group of people,eh? More reinforcement for our own website's requirements for courtesy.

J

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http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/290067.shtml
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What a bunch of idiots! They give freedom of speech a bad name! Shouldn't advocating throwing marbles at mounted police be considered hate speech, or encouraging crime?

The marble thing is worriesome. Had never heard of it before, but sounds dangerous.

I have heard of similar kinds of attacks using ball bearings. Of course, it would be very dangerous. However,marbles and bearings are the least of the viscious things some of these people will do -- given that they are trained to stab horses with stakes, and in Montreal someone slashed a police horse's tendons so he collapesd and bled to death, and so on. These are very bad people who are trying to wrap themselves in some political mantle.

I favor free speech, George, but some people need to exercise it from behind bars.

J

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Italian Mounted Police

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The Pope in the courasse

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Pope's escort by Corazzieri

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More

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This is soemhow really nice

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source ... 8794&cdi=0

Mounted Carabinieri with St. Peter in background


Regards

Luigi

Given the recent thread on Mounted Police, I thought I'd bump this up.

Pat

Are there many Mounted Police Officers on this forum? I happened to come across this forum after getting an email from a Florida Officer who was taking a poll on what type pants Mounted officers who ride with western gear wear.

Joe:

There are at least several mounted officers, although not all of them post regularly. There are also several former mounted officers. AND, we have a couple of guys who have been heavily involved in mounted police instruction and the national competitions.

Joe

I would like to go to a few of these competitions now that I have a trailer that I can live in now. I perform with a drill team at Kentucky Horse Park and the Mounted there have mentioned competitions.
I was also in Virginia Beach for a SWAT Medic conference and ran into a couple of Mounted Officers on the strip who said they hold a competition.

Joe,
Is there a site where I can find out where they are held?

This blog features, in its latest update, Mayor Nagin of New Orleans in the Mardi Gras parade, mounted on what appears to be a police horse:

http://sweetness-light.com/

Somehow I wouldn't be looking to him as an example of horsemanship [hno](and woefully wrong on some other levels that will be immediately apparent). The horse (a nice grey) looks pained, but polite.

The on-site comments on this blog entry show the appropriate level of respect. [:(!]

Monique MacNaughton

<i>Stories that begin with "Last seen in a bar" generally don't end well!</i>

Coydog,

To top off his costume Mayor Nagin needs a bow tie, a big red rubber nose, and a beanie with a spinner on top. Oh, I'm sorry! I just described his daily business attire.

To the military people out there, should Mayor Nagin be wearing a military uniform, as a costume or not, during time of war (assuming he is not in the military)? I see it on the same level as impersonating a police officer. Highly disrespectful if not criminal.

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

With those desert cammies AND the ribbons AND the beret and cigar, (if that's what it is), he looks like some sleazy third-world dictator.

I wouldn't blame the military folks at all if they are manfully fighting an urge to drag him off that horse for some private time in a dark alley.

Monique MacNaughton

<i>Stories that begin with "Last seen in a bar" generally don't end well!</i>

For what it is worth, while never enforced, wearing the uniform of a military service of the United States, while not a member, is actually a crime.

It seems to have been taken much more seriously before WWII. At the end of WWII there was a large clothing shortage, and a special provision was passed to allow discharged servicemen to wear their uniforms as long as they afixed a patch (the ruptured duck) indicating discharge to the uniform. Of interst, when you see such discharged servicemen in photos, they tend to still be wearing the uniform correctly.

However, I suspect the flood of surplus uniforms at the end of the war forever changed how people viewed wearing the uniform, if the person was not in the service. The crime remains on the books, but it is never enforced.

Pat

Usually the horses a$$ is at the rear, must be a La. cross bred.

During Katrina my Squad was posted at the main entrance to the Dallas Convention Center (DCC) where we received about 45% of the Superdome/NO Convention center evacuaees. 9 out of 10 were in favor of Nagin being arrested then. When he toured the DCC, the hatred was even greater than before.

I feel sorry for the horse, his stall mates wil lnever trust him again.

Regards,
Ron Smith

I guess he was supposed to portray Gen. Russell Honore, who was tasked with much of the relief effort in New Orleans. Honore was a pretty effective officer, and is one who is unusually blunt. An NPR interview of Honore was so blunt, that I thought he'd probably put the reporter in the low crawl for poor questions.

Because I'm so far removed from the locality, and because I have not paid as much attention to the casting of blame as perhaps I should, I'm somewhat hesitant to comment. None the less, wearing the uniform of a general, in a parade which will attract national attention, was very poorly thought out.

Straying away form this, and reflecting a narrow minded view on such things, now that the Army is adopting a new set of uniforms, I really would like to see some return to the era that prevented the uniform from such general use. I know its a forelorn hope, but when anyone can dress up like a combat veteran, it cheapens it really.

Pat

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...now that the Army is adopting a new set of uniforms, I really would like to see some return to the era that prevented the uniform from such general use. I know its a forelorn hope, but when anyone can dress up like a combat veteran, it cheapens it really.

Pat
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Even the Army considers the BDUs, or ACUs, as the new style are called, to be "utility uniforms." Service members are supposed to wear their dress uniforms in public, if at all possible. Though many exceptions to that rule exist.

BTW- Some would say, that the Mayor of New Orleans, <i>is</i> "a sleazy third-world dictator." [;)]

Toronto officers stage emotional tribute to police horse killed while on duty

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/ ... t=n030635A

The man responsible hardly deserves to be called a "man".

Monique MacNaughton

<i>Stories that begin with "Last seen in a bar" generally don't end well!</i>

If ever there was a justification for the death penalty, this is it. As for being charged with "failing to stop at the scene of an accident" I say what accident? It was a concious evil act on the suspect's part. To bad a police bullet wasn't used to end his miserable suffering (life)!

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht