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Thanks Dusan. Always interesting to see repros....unfortunately not v gd photos.


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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12th-Lancers-troo ... 286.c0.m14

is this a Martini bucket - scroll down for a nice enlargement.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12th-Lancers-troo ... 286.c0.m14

Same regiment in Service Order with packed saddle.
There are some very nice photos of several different regimental drum horses in the same vicinity as these.
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Yes Dusan, it is a Martini Henry carbine bucket. And I am sure it is the MKIII Pattern.
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bumped up for Larry,

In the first photo the two buckets on the left have the "fore and aft" straps...as the Canadian bucket referred to as just sold on ebay.
The second bucket on left would be the closest in similarity and condition as WWI dated as well...but has the variation sewn base cap. So the first on the left appears to be the identical pattern,
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John M wrote:Bucket one...
This bucket has no markings. The long strap obviously replaced while the bucket still in service....had a hard life.
But obviously an early example as rifle ...with sling attached..will not fit. rifle fits well without sling. Therefore made between c.1905 and 1907.

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I WOULD THINK THIS BUCKET DATE TO 1890 FOR THE LEE METFORD WITH THE FLATTEN BOLT AND IT WAS SHORTER IN LENGHT CAVALRY CARBINE
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No..oo.! this is an SMLE BUCKET!!
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SO THE CARBINE BUCKET IS MORE BELLED AT THE TOP
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That disappeared..!...another try...several regulation carbine buckets...[img][/url][/img]
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The preceding post gives a brief guide to carbine buckets. I have a very good repro of the MKIV. Part of a limited edition made by an Aussie from Gisborne, Austratlia...in the early 1970's I think. I have since seen another of these on eBay weathered and with spurious regimental markings!!. The leather is not as stiff as it should be.
The MKV Martini carbine bucket is in the List of Changes and is fully reversible.

The SMLE bucket followed on from the pictured Lee Enfield carbine bucket.
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John M wrote:That disappeared..!...another try...several regulation carbine buckets...[img][/url][/img]
the straps close to and around the bucket are used for what? John great pic's thanks for your reply.
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For attaching the picket peg.
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for flags and tripod iam told
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That's correct. Signaling apparatus was attached to SMLE buckets, as you say, though the straps were probably not sewn or riveted to the bucket but just wrapped round.
I attach an extract from the List of Changes for the MKIV carbine bucket as an example. And a photo of my excellent repro MKIV. Clarifies the picket post straps.
I have seen photos of 19th century mounted cavalry signallers with signal flags. The flags in that instance being seated in a small bucket sewn to the base of the carbine bucket. [img][url][/img]
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WHY DID THEY DRAG THE S.M.L.E BUCKET FORWARD WAS IT SO IT WAS NOT RUBBING THE FLANK OF THE HORSE OR DID IT MAKE THEM BUCK .
S.M.LE. BUCKET WOULD INTERFARE WITH YOUR LEG AIDS WITH SPURS ON .BUCKETS WHER NOT ISSUED TO NEW ZEALAND MOUNTED TROOPS WW1 I WOULD LIKE TO UNDER STAND WHY.
THANK YOU FOR YUOR REPLY VERY CLEAR
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great collection, do you have photos of how it attached to the saddle?
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Lee enfield carbine bucket attached to saddle.
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SMLE bucket attached to P1902 saddle. Note the arm of the bucket is attached to the circingle, not the girth.
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Note....re the Lee enfield carbine bucket I have assumed it is correct to pass the hanging strap round the rear strut as well as the foot of thr saddle frame.
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Hi John: Passing the surcingle through the arm of the bucket is an excellent point. Until now I have attached it to the girth billets. I think you are correct in passing the strap around the strut because nothing else would give it the support it needs. Thanks for the excellent pictures. Larry
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