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Re: Scenes of the U.S. Army in the Punitive Exp. Era
Could be, Pat. Flipping the photo would put the reins in his left hand. If he were in civilian dress I wouldn't attach so much weight to that but trained by the army.... much more unlikely. Sandy
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In this instance, I'd actually regard that as equally significant in the case of a civilian rider. Nearly all cowhands ride with the reins in the left hand, to keep the right hand free for the rope. I've seen exceptions, but they're rare. Having said that, I wish I could tell what' s going on with this guys rope. Part of it is running under the horses neck, which is quite odd. It almost looks like it's run back up in front of the cantle and the loop is hung back over the coil. Pretty sloppy. I hadn't noticed that detail at first, but in looking at it again I wonder if the rope was hung from a leather strap (pretty common at that time), and this fellow has flopped it over to the near side, and has then run his loop back over. I don't know why a person would do that, and it'd make the rope nearly useless, but if the ride wasn't experienced with this equipment, or was doing something really unusual, perhaps that'd explain it. Pat
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It may be that it is a long lead rope attached to the caveson and looped together in a handy spot on the saddle. Did you mean the pommel instead of the cantle? If so it may be just a mirage created by light reflected off the front of the swell, if I understand your description correctly.
Sandy
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Oops! Yes, pommel, not cantle. Pat
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5th Cav in the Punitive Expedition
 "The soldiers of Co. "A" 5th Cavalry at meal - Las Cruces, Mexico. Mexican-U.S. campaign after Villa, 1916." Pat
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Nice example of career officer, in the field, in the Punitive Expedition:
 Pat
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Pat and Sandy, I wonder if this isn't an inexperienced troop on a borrowed civilian horse, maybe striking a pose for the folks at home? It appears from the length of the stirrups, and how what I believe is the lead rope is tied on, that the animal may be civilian? Dude wranglers often tie the lead rope in this fashion on a string of horses with inexperienced riders. Wranglers must have each animal haltered and able to be led independently, and so some people tie the lead rope at the on side using the saddle strings next to the pommel. With a dude string, if anything goes wrong, this way the wrangler can quickly untie and lead animals. Not sure, just a hunch ..... John
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The rope appears to be a lead rope from here. I think this a posed pic of a non-rider....though it almost looks as if he's wearing spurs. The stirrups look way short, and the mount looks a little "rangy" to be an Army animal. Might be the personal horse of a contract employee, of course. Hmmmmm...
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John, Bis;
As they say on Myth Busters, 'Plausible'. Sandy
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Packing near Vera Cruz, 1916:
 Pat
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New York National Guard artillery on the border
Col. G. A. Wingate, New York National Guard, on the border. This was an artillery unit.
  Pat
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A little digging reveals that this is the 2nd NY Artillery, and that by 1919, G. A. Wingate had been promoted to General. There's a couple of instances of him being appointed as a "surrogate" to Kings County, NY, but I'm not sure exactly what that means. A G. A. Wingate was also one of the incorporating members of a fish packing company in New York in 1902, but I'm not sure if that's the same fellow. Always interesting to note the civilian careers of these reserve officers. Pat
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Not an Army image, but on this day of remembrance, a stirring one:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316 ... ithful.jpg Pete Peterson was one of the civilians killed in Villa's raid on Columbus, MN. Mr. Peterson's dog is said to have stayed at the gravesite for days. Bisley 45
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Looking back at these photos of Guardsmen, it once again strikes me how long they can actually end up deployed. These guys were basically deployed from the onset of the border troubles all the way through WWI. Not as long as the WWII Guardsmen, of course, but a pretty darned long time. And not always in the same role at that.
Pat
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Re: Scenes of the U.S. Army in the Punitive Exp. Era
These really point out how a long a leg they rode with. I would hve thought it would have been shorter with all the cross country riding they did. Was this the norm for the time or did a fully packed saddle require this length? Jim
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Jim, your links aren't working. Pat
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I copied and pasted them from your post above, Pat. I'm not sure why they don't work here.
Jim
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Here are the links again. http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01555.JPG http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01548.JPG Pat
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Re: Scenes of the U.S. Army in the Punitive Exp. Era
Interesting to note the use of the combination of the M1912 Bridle and the first pattern M1904 McClellan saddle.
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