Waterloo

by **Dave J.** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:04 am

Before CGI.Waterloo 1970

They don't make them like this anymore....

http://www.youtube.com/v/3Hom1ZWBGF8&rel=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/IEYvfy8zKzk&rel=1

The heck with the Scott's Greys, those Prussian Uhlans are pretty scary!

by **Jim Bewley** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:35 am

That was good. I'll have to look for that movie as I haven't seen it in years.

Jim

by **Pat Holscher** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:27 am

Wow, cast of thousands to be sure.

I have never seen that film. Is it any good?

Pat

by **Trooper** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:26 pm

The Grey's hogging the limelight again - they were part of the Union Brigade that made the charge and it included the English 1st. Royal Dragoons and Irish Iniskillings - they weren't alone as this clip and Lady Butler suggest.
Other than that the film is pretty good.

Dušan

by **Dave J.** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:29 pm

If I recall it's a pretty decent movie. All star cast. Some "Hollywood" mistakes but nothing as glaring as some recent war movies.

The trivia on it says, "Soldiers of the Red Army were used as extras to portray the British army. They panicked repeatedly and scattered during the filming of some of the cavalry charges. Attempts to reassure them by marking the closest approach of the horses with white tape similarly failed, and the scene was cut."

Can't blame them though, those aren't computer generated horses. It looks like the thunder of hooves would have made the earth shake.

It's been on my wish list, but it's very hard to find in a US (Region I?) DVD.

by **Jim Bewley** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:45 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It's been on my wish list, but it's very hard to find in a US (Region I?) DVD.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I can't remember if I saw it on TV or at the movies, but I believe the latter. If you locate a source Dave, please let us know.

Jim

by **Ron Smith** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:17 pm

One thing though, when Ney charged the Squares he did so at the trot, not a run or gallop as it is depicted. More than one surviving Officer had complained for quite some time on the need to charge at the gallop and not the trot.

The Brits in the squares were complimentary towards the French Cavalry, on how well they looked as they died by the droves.......

Ron

by **browerpatch** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:14 pm

I think NetFlix has 'Waterloo', so maybe it's time I subscribed and watched it again.

Frank

Frank

by **patbailey** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:53 am

For similar large numbers of extras I would suggest seeing the Sergei Bondarchek "War and peace", which was made with Stalin's blessing and thus using hordes of red Army troops as extras. There is one marching scene where you can clearly see the flintlock mechanisms are bolted onto the sides of the Moisin-Nagant rifles. Some of them still have the bolts in, though they are turned upwards to clear the flintlocks. There are several other Russian films with large numbers of troops, such as "Liberation", which basically tells the 'story' of how Stalin won the war in spite of the US and UK. Supposedly they used several divisions of Soviet troops, and the numbers of troops on the screen would appear to bear this out.
Patrick
PS- I think these are both available from Bell and Blade, and they may also have "Waterloo."

It is impossible to have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.- R. Kipling

by **David Webb** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:05 am

Dave's comment about Region 1 DVDs made me wonder - don't people in the USA do what everyone in Europe does, and hack the players to make them "All Regions"?
David

by **Pat Holscher** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:23 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by David Webb
 Dave's comment about Region 1 DVDs made me wonder - don't people in the USA do what everyone in Europe does, and hack the players to make them "All Regions"?
David
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No. Generally, I'm pretty sure most US viewers are unaware that there are other regions. I wasn't until I read it here.

Pat

by **Pat Holscher** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:26 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pat Holscher
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by David Webb
 Dave's comment about Region 1 DVDs made me wonder - don't people in the USA do what everyone in Europe does, and hack the players to make them "All Regions"?
David
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No. Generally, I'm pretty sure most US viewers are unaware that there are other regions. I wasn't until I read it here.

Pat
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

As part of that, keep in mind that most European viewers likely watch stuff that's from all over, while most American viewers are only watching the product of our very own, truly awful, Hollyweird.

Pat

by **kerry savee** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:37 am

Frustrated with not being able to buy region one copies of some of the classic war pictures, I bought an OPPO brand DVD player. It is reasonably priced and will play all regions. I also have a copy of Waterloo on DVD that was produced in China and distributed by The Castaways Pictures. The soundtrack is in English but if you click on the English subtitles button you will get some interesting translations. One scene in the ballroom where young Hay and Sara, who have been running around like children, arrive in front of Wellington who is talking with Picton and childishly exclaim that Hay has promised to bring back a Cuirassier's helmet for Sara. Picton in exasperation turns to another officer and says, "I've never seen such a pair of sprats (or brats)". Chinese translation, "I've never seen such a pair of BREASTS." Hilarious.

Kerry

"ride your horse forward and set him straight" Gustav Steinbrecht

by **Jim Bewley** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:47 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dave's comment about Region 1 DVDs made me wonder - don't people in the USA do what everyone in Europe does, and hack the players to make them "All Regions"?
David<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

When I was in the Army almost everything I had could be switched to plug in both in Europe and the U.S.

How do you "hack" a DVD player? I'm willing to give it a try.

Jim

by **Grant** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:11 pm

Hi Jim: If you run a search on "Google", you should find some forums with fellows discussing "hacking" DVD players to make them "Code Free" & even kill Macrovision copy-guard protection! Since virtually all DVD players are made in China & sold world-wide, the manufacturer's secret code has to be input using the remote control & this does the trick. I found two players sold by Wal Mart could be so fixed! Thing is to get that secret code from one of these discussion forums & try it out. FACET sells good macrovision killers. The SIMA silver box one is now off the markt & works well. I also have a digital video converter which kills it & changes video into PAL, NTSC or even French SECAM! Grant.

by **Jim Bewley** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:25 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Hi Jim: If you run a search on "Google", you should find some forums with fellows discussing "hacking" DVD players to make them "Code Free" & even kill Macrovision copy-guard protection! Since virtually all DVD players are made in China & sold world-wide, the manufacturer's secret code has to be input using the remote control & this does the trick. I found two players sold by Wal Mart could be so fixed! Thing is to get that secret code from one of these discussion forums & try it out. FACET sells good macrovision killers. The SIMA silver box one is now off the markt & works well. I also have a digital video converter which kills it & changes video into PAL, NTSC or even French SECAM! Grant.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Just checking before I check this out. Is this legal??

Jim

by **Grant** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:45 pm

Dear Jim: Perfectly legal to make your own personal copies & to own a code free DVD player. Suggest you take a look at <www.220-electronics.com/dvd/dvx.htm> I have dealt with this Chicago company twice or so & they are good to do business with. Grant.

John L. Matthew

by **Jim Bewley** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:21 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Jim: Perfectly legal to make your own personal copies & to own a code free DVD player. Suggest you take a look at <www.220-electronics.com/dvd/dvx.htm> I have dealt with this Chicago company twice or so & they are good to do business with. Grant.

John L. Matthew<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks John. I will look into that.

Jim


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