Trooper Savee, Ft. Riley, 1941

[Pat Holscher]

Originally posted by Sam Cox
The pack instructor is weari ng a version of the 2nd pattern HBT trousers in the dark shade cloth,his fatigue jacket appears to be the type 1 fatigue jacket in HBT

Sam

Sam Cox

Thanks Sam. I'll drop the photos in here as well so that readers can see what you are referring to.

Originally posted by Pat Holscher
Here’s some examples of fatigues or HBTs at Ft. Riley in 1942.

I think these are likely the blue denim fatigues:



Again, I think, but could be wrong, that these are blue denim fatigues:



This artilleryman is wearing a coveralls.



Artillerymen wearing fatigues and coveralls:



Mechanized cavalryman posing with Thompson M1928 submachinegun, and wearing overalls. Note how greasy they appear, which probably provides one of the reasons that we see troops in training wearing these.



And here's an intersting example. Trainer wearing some version of field pants at Camp Hale, Colorado, training troops of the 10th Mountain Division. Note the boots being worn by the trainer. The 10th included a high percentage of civilian outdoorsmen in the ranks and training staff, so it'd be interesting to know the background of the trainers here.


Photograph courtesy of the Denver Public Library, Western Heritage Department.
Pat


Pat

Pat

[kerry savee]

In order to get an idea of what these uniforms look like in color, I went to WWII Impressions at http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/ They make the Army Blue Work Utilities as well as the Herring Bone Twill one piece and two piece uniforms.

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[Pat Holscher]

Blue denim jacket. This is a coastal artilleryman, and he has chevrons sewn on to the jacket, which I think is unusual.



This photo is from a slide, and therefore the colors are probably exaggerated.

Pat

[Pat Holscher]

HBT coveralls.



Pat

[kerry savee]

Those HBT coveralls the tankers are wearing in the second photo look extremely utilitarian and I bet they were a dime a dozen in surplus stores after the war but now a replica will run $150.00!

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[Pat Holscher]

Originally posted by kerry savee
Those HBT coveralls the tankers are wearing in the second photo look extremely utilitarian and I bet they were a dime a dozen in surplus stores after the war but now a replica will run $150.00!

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

I'll be that's exactly right!

Pat

[Pat Holscher]

Originally posted by Sam Cox
http://groups.msn.com/LifeatRiley/shoeb ... hotoID=344
more boots over hbt here

At The Front do a lovely repro of the 1st model coverall

Yes Pat,rank on denim is very strange

sam

Sam Cox

Some interesting unofficial things occur with chevrons before the war. I'd be here that it was the case that Coastal Artillerymen were wearing the blue denim uniform so often, that it was effectively their duty uniform. After all, they wouldn't really have needed an OD uniform for their job. So they probably compensated for that by sewing chevrons on, which was probably totally unofficial.

Pat

[Pat Holscher]

Originally posted by Sam Cox
http://groups.msn.com/LifeatRiley/shoeb ... hotoID=344
more boots over hbt here

At The Front do a lovely repro of the 1st model coverall

Yes Pat,rank on denim is very strange

sam

Sam Cox

Wow, that ATF site has to be about the crankiest commercial site I've ever seen. They must be tired of being burned by unhappy customers.

Is that information on the HBT jacket being way oversize correct? I've always thought of them as a shirt, but I realize they are not.

Was the HBT fabric generally regarded as successful?

Pat

[kerry savee]

I found a place called Military Supply House in Long Beach, CA that has original but used WWII HBT Coveralls (some rips and tears) in small 36" and 38" sizes for $38.00 a piece (too small for me): http://www.militarysupplyhouse.com/pric ... celist.htm

I checked the ATF website and saw that they had a listing for HBT Coveralls but when I clicked on the listing nothing popped up.

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[kerry savee]

I found a link with the Squadron patch of my father's (Capt. Savee) unit the 831st Squadron of the 485th Bomber Group.
http://toonsatwar.blogspot.com/2006/09/ ... ignia.html

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[kerry savee]

The mouse in the band leader's hat and coat was named Timothy Mouse and he was Dumbo the Elephant's friend in the cartoon by Walt Disney.

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[deddygetty]

Say kerry, do you mind if I use your dad's photo's from Ft Riley on the 2nd Cavalry history site?

Don't attract gunfire. It irritates the people around you.

[kerry savee]

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No, I don't mind. Be my guest.

Kerry

<i>"ride your horse forward and set him straight"</i> Gustav Steinbrecht

[deddygetty]

Thank you kindly, kerry.

Don't attract gunfire. It irritates the people around you.

[Pat Holscher]

Kerry's supplied some additional photos of his father at Camp Funston. Great look at army life in this period.





Note the Browning M1917 machineguns. You would think a cavalry unit would have the lighter M1919s, of which there was a cavalry version, but obviously not in this case.

Pat

[kerry savee]

[Pat Holscher]

This photo of Kerry's is captioned ''Guard''.



Note the flashlights on their belts.

Pat

[Pat Holscher]

Kerry, is this Camp Funston in WWII?





These could practically be captioned ''Ft. Sill 1982'', right down to the barracks style and the bored look on the private's face.



Pat

[Pat Holscher]

This second photograph is really remarkable. Off hand, I don't recall seeing the inside of a cavalryman's tent in this period before. Note the scabbard hanging on the tent wall. Also, note the clothing hanging, almost like in a closet.

Pat

[Pat Holscher]

Originally posted by Pat Holscher
Kerry, is this Camp Funston in WWII?

Note on this one the lace up boots are standing up straight. I don't think of those boots having heavy enough leather to do that, but perhaps something was placed in them to make them do that.

Pat