Coast Guard and Chinese Cavalry

[Jim Bewley]

Great picture and a great man. How come those flared breeches look better on him then they do me?

Jim

[Pat Holscher]

No, but he does look like him.

I don't think Grant had any association with the military during World War Two, other than making the patriotic film Destination Tokyo.

Not to go wildly off topic, but I'm sometimes amazed by the exceptions to the generally held view that everyone in Hollywood stopped what they were doing during World War Two and became part of the big effort. Certainly a lot of people did, John Ford, James Stewart, etc. But there are some really well known actors, such as Cary Grant and John Wayne, that did not. Indeed, I've always been amazed by the extent to which their careers remained intact. Particularly Wayne's, given as he stared in the early post war WWII epic The Sands of Iwo Jima when memories of the "the war" were not only fresh, but "the war" was World War Two.

The WWII generation must have been amazingly forgiving on things of this type, as they didn't really seem to hold that against those who sat it out. I've rarely heard any of them point fingers at the famous who chose not to enter the service.

Pat,

I don't believe that you forgot to mention the man himself - the true cavalry President.
It is a bit off topic, yes, but since you've put it this way it's only fair to remember 2nd Lieutenant Reagan, 322nd cavalry regiment.

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Alex.

It's interesting to note that back when Ronald Regan was President, there were those who tended to somewhat mock his military service by noting that he was essentially assigned to wartime movie making roles. The suggestion always was that his service wasn't real. This misses, however, that the 322nd Cav Rgt. was part of the 66th Cav Division, which was dispersed rather than really activated. He was thereafter assigned as a Port and Transportation officer in part because he had bad eyesight, but that is a real assignment. From there, he went into the USAAC and was in the First Motion Picture Unit.

[Alexander]

Great picture and a great man. How come those flared breeches look better on him then they do me?

Jim

He is a real officer, Jim. They always look better than us average men.
It's interesting also, that he is wearing privately purchased summer service coat which was allowed by Regulations in 1942. It was not a mandatory part of uniform.
Purely sharp dressed man.


Alex.

[Alexander]

No, but he does look like him.

I don't think Grant had any association with the military during World War Two, other than making the patriotic film Destination Tokyo.

Not to go wildly off topic, but I'm sometimes amazed by the exceptions to the generally held view that everyone in Hollywood stopped what they were doing during World War Two and became part of the big effort. Certainly a lot of people did, John Ford, James Stewart, etc. But there are some really well known actors, such as Cary Grant and John Wayne, that did not. Indeed, I've always been amazed by the extent to which their careers remained intact. Particularly Wayne's, given as he stared in the early post war WWII epic The Sands of Iwo Jima when memories of the "the war" were not only fresh, but "the war" was World War Two.

The WWII generation must have been amazingly forgiving on things of this type, as they didn't really seem to hold that against those who sat it out. I've rarely heard any of them point fingers at the famous who chose not to enter the service.

Pat,

I don't believe that you forgot to mention the man himself - the true cavalry President.
It is a bit off topic, yes, but since you've put it this way it's only fair to remember 2nd Lieutenant Reagan, 322nd cavalry regiment.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_03_2010/post-1963-1269294937.jpg


Alex.

It's interesting to note that back when Ronald Regan was President, there were those who tended to somewhat mock his military service by noting that he was essentially assigned to wartime movie making roles. The suggestion always was that his service wasn't real. This misses, however, that the 322nd Cav Rgt. was part of the 66th Cav Division, which was dispersed rather than really activated. He was thereafter assigned as a Port and Transportation officer in part because he had bad eyesight, but that is a real assignment. From there, he went into the USAAC and was in the First Motion Picture Unit.

Haters always gonna hate, Pat. He enter the service and served in best way he could and there's no shame that he's not fought Nazi's or Japanese.
This photo made not long before his transfer to USAAC by the way, in Fort Mason.


Alex.

[Pat Holscher]

Purely sharp dressed man.


Alex.

That probably shows his acting background.

I don't mean that to sound insulting at all, it isn't meant to be, but one thing that certain actors of this era, and the one right behind it, really learned was how to pose in a frame. We see that much less with some actors than others, John Wayne, for example, did that much less often, but could do it.

One actor of the next era who really mastered this was Charleton Heston (USAAF, B-25 crewman, during WWII). I'd never thought of that, but I heard an interview of one of the actors in Major Dundee who noted that one of the aspects of that films was the conflict between Peckinpah and Heston, including that Heston was a "poser", i.e, knew how to strike a pose, and Peckinpah liked to unbalance Heston in a scene to knock him of the pose. Peckinpah probably failed in that, because if you watch the movie you'll note that there's a large number of scenes in which Heston very effectively strikes a pose, as if he was a model for a dramatic statute, or an artist model.

Having brought up Wayne, the best example of that in his acting (and he didn't really do it very often) is the final shot of The Searchers. That's probably partially attributable to John Ford, however, who had the shot framed that way. Still, Wayne touches his elbow in a way that was a tribute to Harry Carey, who often did that, and it's a very effective shot.

[Pat Holscher]

Haters always gonna hate, Pat. He enter the service and served in best way he could and there's no shame that he's not fought Nazi's or Japanese.
This photo made not long before his transfer to USAAC by the way, in Fort Mason.


Alex.

Very true.

One of the of things about history and politics, is the stunning degree to which people forget how certain figures are treated during their own period of influence. That's very true of Regan.

Looking back now, if you listen to televised or broadcast recollections, you'd get he impression that he was universally admired. But that's very far from true. I was in college during his administration and at least in certain campus communities it was as if people had sworn a blood oath to detest him in everything. It's weird to look back and hear all the praise now, and recall that then. Even a lot of the same figures that will declare love and admiration expressed much different sentiments at the time.

This is, of course, true for many. Washington was subject to all sorts of abuse during his administration. Theodore Roosevelt was accused of being insane and a drunk (he hardly even drank). And so on.

Conversely, some who really get slammed during their administrations don't really deserve it, but the reputation sticks. Herbert Hoover was one such fellow. He was truly a public servant, and being President was extremely detrimental to his own finances. The bad luck to be President with the Depression hit, however, forever wrecked his reputation, but he actually continued to be called upon for service for many years thereafter, as he was so capable and effective.

[Alexander]

Purely sharp dressed man.


Alex.

That probably shows his acting background.

I don't mean that to sound insulting at all, it isn't meant to be, but one thing that certain actors of this era, and the one right behind it, really learned was how to pose in a frame. We see that much less with some actors than others, John Wayne, for example, did that much less often, but could do it.

One actor of the next era who really mastered this was Charleton Heston (USAAF, B-25 crewman, during WWII). I'd never thought of that, but I heard an interview of one of the actors in Major Dundee who noted that one of the aspects of that films was the conflict between Peckinpah and Heston, including that Heston was a "poser", i.e, knew how to strike a pose, and Peckinpah liked to unbalance Heston in a scene to knock him of the pose. Peckinpah probably failed in that, because if you watch the movie you'll note that there's a large number of scenes in which Heston very effectively strikes a pose, as if he was a model for a dramatic statute, or an artist model.

Having brought up Wayne, the best example of that in his acting (and he didn't really do it very often) is the final shot of The Searchers. That's probably partially attributable to John Ford, however, who had the shot framed that way. Still, Wayne touches his elbow in a way that was a tribute to Harry Carey, who often did that, and it's a very effective shot.

Very good point Pat. Reagan mastered the actor trade and brought it into service and vice versa. I must say that this served him well and if you saw his movie "Sergeant Murphy" you will remember that he portrayed a private cavalryman with authenticity due to his knowing what it's like.

Heston is a poser I agree. Richard Harris however was more relaxed and that reflected on his character well.

I like Wayne's movies very much, but must say that he looks pretty like Heston in the "Horse Soldiers" and "Fort Apache" and other two titles of the trilogy.


Alex.

[Alexander]

Haters always gonna hate, Pat. He enter the service and served in best way he could and there's no shame that he's not fought Nazi's or Japanese.
This photo made not long before his transfer to USAAC by the way, in Fort Mason.


Alex.

Very true.

One of the of things about history and politics, is the stunning degree to which people forget how certain figures are treated during their own period of influence. That's very true of Regan.

Looking back now, if you listen to televised or broadcast recollections, you'd get he impression that he was universally admired. But that's very far from true. I was in college during his administration and at least in certain campus communities it was as if people had sworn a blood oath to detest him in everything. It's weird to look back and hear all the praise now, and recall that then. Even a lot of the same figures that will declare love and admiration expressed much different sentiments at the time.

This is, of course, true for many. Washington was subject to all sorts of abuse during his administration. Theodore Roosevelt was accused of being insane and a drunk (he hardly even drank). And so on.

Conversely, some who really get slammed during their administrations don't really deserve it, but the reputation sticks. Herbert Hoover was one such fellow. He was truly a public servant, and being President was extremely detrimental to his own finances. The bad luck to be President with the Depression hit, however, forever wrecked his reputation, but he actually continued to be called upon for service for many years thereafter, as he was so capable and effective.

It's a quite worthy observation you've shared. When Reagan vacated the President chair I was five. And today's opinion on him is like two-colored palette - white and black. Same was with Custer (yep, he was accused of drunkness but he quit in the Point years) and so on. The Sheridan today remembered by false quotation on Indians and Truman by ordering a nuclear strike. Budyonny was accused of sending cavalrymen in mounted formation to fight tanks what he didn't. People tends to remember only what they want to remember no matter what. Can't say I blame them, but surely don't like this.

Thank you.


Alex.

[Couvi]

I like Wayne's movies very much, but must say that he looks pretty like Heston in the "Horse Soldiers" and "Fort Apache" and other two titles of the trilogy.

Alex.

Is every one aware that watching the "Cavalry Trilogy;" Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, and Rio Grande, is mandatory annually for this group?

[Jim Bewley]

I like Wayne's movies very much, but must say that he looks pretty like Heston in the "Horse Soldiers" and "Fort Apache" and other two titles of the trilogy.

Alex.

Is every one aware that watching the "Cavalry Trilogy;" Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, and Rio Grande, is mandatory annually for this group?

I have one to go and then I'll get you to sign off my yearly form.

Jim

[Sam Cox]

my holy trinity of films for or by the new year is

Raiders of the lost ark
Destination Gobi
and Treasure of the sierra madre



did slip Seasbiscuit into the mix and the Missus didnt mind at all

Gobi is a nice little no brainer

[Pat Holscher]

What's Destination Gobi? I have not heard of that film.

[Sam Cox]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045682/

its on DVD here in Asutralia

spot of fun,not a Ford/Wayne epic though

[wkambic]

What's Destination Gobi? I have not heard of that film.

Richard Widmark film from a few decades back. A USN weather reporting group is sent to the Gobi Desert. They team up with locals. Rates a GFF.

[Couvi]

my holy trinity of films for or by the new year is

Raiders of the lost ark
Destination Gobi
and Treasure of the sierra madre



did slip Seasbiscuit into the mix and the Missus didnt mind at all

Gobi is a nice little no brainer

Treasure of the Sierra Madre is one of the best and stars Walter Huston, the director, John Huston's father. What is the famous line from that movie?

[Sam Cox]

Badges?

we dont need no stinking badges

i dont have to show you.............................................

[Pat Holscher]

"Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges."

One of the great movie lines of all time.

[Sam Cox]

agreed

Huston (junior) is another Hollywood man that signed up.