Scenes of the U.S. Army in the Punitive Exp. Era

[Trooper]

PE vintage or perhaps just a little later? Mounted military transport seems to have had other potential problems besides throwing a shoe :
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-HARLEY-DAVI ... dZViewItem

Dušan

[bisley45]

Stranded by the side of the road by your Harley. Some things never change....

B45

[Pat Holscher]

Here's an Indian in Army use, about the same era.

Not the string of horse in the background. At least one has a scabbard attached to it.



Pat

[Tom Smith]

I do beleive this pic is with the 03-05 MacClellan http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG great pics all . and were`nt some of these used in that punitive calender a few yrs back ?

[George Clark]

Anyone notice the M1912 service saddle in photo #10 on page 3? Left center of the photo.
George.

[George Clark]

What gun is this?

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00530.JPG

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00479.JPG


Pat

Interesting setup in the second photo. One mule seems to be wearing two halters, one equiped with a brow band.
George.

[John Fitzgerald]

What gun is this?

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00530.JPG

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00479.JPG


Pat

Interesting setup in the second photo. One mule seems to be wearing two halters, one equiped with a brow band.
George.

George,

It sort of looks like part of your M1912 halter/bridle combo.

Notice the horse in the bottom left corner of the second photo. He is wearing an M1909. The browband ornament is not centered on the crown piece. The loops must be centered on the ornament.

[Pat Holscher]

I do beleive this pic is with the 03-05 MacClellan http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG great pics all . and were`nt some of these used in that punitive calender a few yrs back ?

Tom, I couldn't get your link to come up, but this is the same photo:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG

[Pat Holscher]

I do beleive this pic is with the 03-05 MacClellan http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG great pics all . and were`nt some of these used in that punitive calender a few yrs back ?

Tom, I couldn't get your link to come up, but this is the same photo:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01549.JPG

Note the bandsman blanket.

[Rick Throckmorton]

Tom,
That is exactly what the saddle is, a 1st Pattern M1904. Note also that he is using the M1912 Bridle. Why is he using the M1912 Bridle instead of the M1909? I couldn't tell you, but as Todd noted in the threads regarding the M1912 Bridle, there are several photos that show the M1912 Bridles being used with the McClellan saddles and also M1909 Bridles used with M1912 Saddles. I personally believe these photos are from a later period after the M1912 equipments were no longer field issue and relagated to support units or state units.
Rick

[Pat Holscher]

Dallas Freeborn very generously sent these photographs from his collection. He indicates they were taken by a North Carolinian National Guardsman in October-November 1916.




































Pat

Bumped up by request.

[Tom Muller]

Browsing I found these great photos. Is that a UP or rather a 1912 experimental saddle lying on the ground in the 10th photo from the top?

Tom

Dallas Freeborn very generously sent these photographs from his collection. He indicates they were taken by a North Carolinian National Guardsman in October-November 1916.




































Pat

[Rick Throckmorton]

Tom,
That is a Model 1912 Service Saddle shown in that photo. During the Punitive Expedition, it was in use by many companies within the various cavalry regiments deployed into Mexico and along the border. The regiments seem to be a mixed bag of companies using the Model 1912 equipments and companies using the McClellan equipments.
Best,
Rick T.

[Pat Holscher]

These are great photos. I can't think Dallas enough for having sent them to us.

One really neat thing about them is that they show us the assortment of equipment in actual use.

[Tom Muller]

Rick, Pat,

thanks for the answer. I read it up in Jim Ottevaere's book "Military Horsemanship" and had a look at the phots there.

Thanks again guys and these are some great photographs!

Tom

[Pat Holscher]

Rick, Pat,

thanks for the answer. I read it up in Jim Ottevaere's book "Military Horsemanship" and had a look at the phots there.

Thanks again guys and these are some great photographs!

Tom

Tom, I'd recommend "Chasing Villa" to you as well, which I think is a book you'd very much enjoy, by an officer who participated in it. It doesn't address tack, but it is a lively account of the action.

[Tom Muller]

Pat,

thanks, I just ordered it and hope to read it when I'm not out hunting and riding.

Tom

[Pat Holscher]

Here's an unusual one:

[Pat Holscher]

Here's an unusual one:

As an aside, I wonder if this photo is reversed. Normally we'd expect to see the rope tied on the off side of the saddle.

[Pat Holscher]

Also, is he wearing a wrist watch? 1914 (the date of the photo), would be pretty early for a wrist watch.