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Postby Pat Holscher » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:21 pm

Two artillerymen, Runyon photo on line at Library of Congress and the University of Texas.


http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN08000 ... N08165.JPG


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Postby Pat Holscher » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:24 pm

Another photo, U.S. and Mexican troops, same source.

Neat collection of hats, US and Mexican troops:
http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01350.JPG


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Postby Pat Holscher » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:39 pm

Cavalry band, Runyon photo, same source:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01916.JPG

Cavalry patrol at the mouth of the Rio Grande, 1916, Runyon photo:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00615.JPG

Machinegun troop, same source:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00559.JPG

Officers of the 1st NY Cavalry, same source:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00611.JPG

The 1st Ill arriving, same source:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00591.JPG

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Postby Pat Holscher » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:13 am

Originally posted by Pat Holscher
Two artillerymen, Runyon photo on line at Library of Congress and the University of Texas.


http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN08000 ... N08165.JPG


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Given the tack and all, I wonder if Runyon captioned this photo correctly. Cavalrymen?

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Postby Pat Holscher » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:14 am

Originally posted by Pat Holscher
Another photo, U.S. and Mexican troops, same source.

Neat collection of hats, US and Mexican troops:
http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01350.JPG


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Some, or maybe all, of the US troops might be Texas Guardsmen, given the caption. Anyhow, note the mix of campaign hat types and creases.

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Postby Rick Throckmorton » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:19 am

Pat,
Also notice the concoction of methods to keep the hat on the head in the "machine gun troops" photo. Some have the leather straps, some have what looks like a string punched through the brim from the front and tied around the back of the head like the later standard leather straps. As you know, the first type of 1911 campaign hat did not have the grommet through the brim for the strap and the a shoestring-like chin string was held under the sweat band and threaded through a cut in the fold of the sweat band.
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Postby Trooper » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:32 pm

Great photos again! Thanks Pat.
Incidentally, in the photo you last reference concerning the varied hat creases isn't the the soldier seated centre front wearing puttees?
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Postby Couvi » Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:55 pm

Pat,

If I am not mistaken the guns are Maxims, .30 Caliber Machine Gun, Model of 1900.


I am at a loss to identify the vehicle with the sloping sides in front of the Escort Wagon! Is this the front of the Escort Wagon?<


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Postby Pat Holscher » Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:57 pm

Originally posted by Couvi
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If I am not mistaken the guns are Maxims, .30 Caliber Machine Gun, Model of 1900
http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN00000 ... N00559.JPG


Couvi, sharp eyes as always. I would never have caught that.

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Postby Pat Holscher » Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:59 pm

Originally posted by Trooper
Great photos again! Thanks Pat.
Incidentally, in the photo you last reference concerning the varied hat creases isn't the the soldier seated centre front wearing puttees?
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Another thing I would not have caught, or expected. I think you are correct.

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Postby Pat Holscher » Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:00 pm

Amother photo from the Runyon set:

Slow day at Ft. Brown:

http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN08000 ... N08106.JPG


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Postby stablesgt » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:36 am

Morale seems to have been at a high level.
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Postby Pat Holscher » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:15 am

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Postby Trooper » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:39 am

Hi Pat,
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"A shot in the field?:
http://runyon.lib.utexas.edu/r/RUN01000 ... N01675.JPG
Where holster's commonly modified like that?"

The holster has not been modified but is being worn in the "ready position":

"...Habitually the flap should be kept fastened down. When the pistol is about to be used, or there is a possibility of its sudden use, fasten the flap open by by turning back the extremity of the flap, and thrusting it down between the body of the flap, and the inside portion of the holster...". Document No.1715 "Description and Directions For Use And care of Cavalry Equipment Model of 1912" GPO 1916.

Thanks for posting all of these great pictures. Can permission be granted for use of some of them in other contexts?
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Postby Rick Throckmorton » Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:11 pm

Notice the length of the non-adjustable (for length) quarterstraps in the 1st pattern '04 MacClellan saddles in the 3 photos re: the saddle blankets. Notice the second photo shows a saddle with shorter quarterstraps than the others. I had ran across information that the "solid" strapped saddles were "adjusted" in length by troop saddlers. This set of photos sure lends credence to that claim...along with the fact that they built the feature of adjustablility of length into the 2nd pattern of M1904 saddles!
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Postby Philip S » Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:16 pm

If the saddles were adjusted to fit individual horses there must have been some kind of marking to identify the particular saddle. Were they marked with a number, horse's name, or trooper?
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Postby Kurt Hughes » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:42 pm

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The three pictures ref the blanket symbol, and which you refer to with regards to the quarterstraps, is that an M1912 bridle being used.
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Postby Pat Holscher » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:32 pm

Originally posted by Rick Throckmorton
Notice the length of the non-adjustable (for length) quarterstraps in the 1st pattern '04 MacClellan saddles in the 3 photos re: the saddle blankets. Notice the second photo shows a saddle with shorter quarterstraps than the others. I had ran across information that the "solid" strapped saddles were "adjusted" in length by troop saddlers. This set of photos sure lends credence to that claim...along with the fact that they built the feature of adjustablility of length into the 2nd pattern of M1904 saddles!
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Wow! Sharp eyes yet again. I would not have noticed that.

This Runyon set of photos is particularly interesting as it depicts so much, without any intent to do so. A person really gets to see what troops along the border looked like, and how they were equipped.

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