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Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:07 pm

Friends;

these are clearly not as advertised, but what are they? Do they even have a military connection?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Wars-1 ... wX~dWjbql
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:06 pm

Those are in fact the bridle rosettes for the M1874 and M1885 Cavalry Bridles. They are rivetted through the loops of the browband.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:41 pm

Interesting.

The Board did decree that the ornament would be held by a rivet that passed through the cut. On the other hand, I own an original bridle which is equipped with bulls-eye rosettes that have the normal loop, so maybe the rivet approach didn't work in practice? Does anybody know anything about this?

I also wonder how the seller can be sure thy are not new, re-enactor items. It wold be pretty simple to stamp these out.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:36 am

I suspect the only way to know would be to put your hands on them and examine them. Some repros are VERY good and some are not.
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:31 am

Given that they're just stamped pieces of sheet brass, you'd almost have to see some extra images of the original package, etc.

Joe - if you could, shoot a pic of your browband ornaments and share - I've never seen a loop on a bullseye ornament. Most I've seen were the riveted variety, but that being said, bridles aren't my strong suit.
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Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:39 pm

Thought I had saved some decent pics of a bullseye ornament - these two show placement and rivet
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:36 pm

Todd:


I'll have to do some digging as almost all of my stuff is in storage and has been for long enough that I don't recall what's where. May be when I find them that I remembered wrongly. We'll see. Next week or so maybe, if lucky...
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 am

Todd and all:

I found my Bullseye Rosettes, and it turns out i had remembered them incorrectly. They do have rivets and not bails.
Joe
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