M1913 Cavalry Saber parts

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M1913 Cavalry Saber parts

Post by TL Foster » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:22 pm

I have a small collection (3) and the one item that is almost always missing on everyone that I've seen is the leather piece in front of the guard. Dusan's book is a wonderful resource for the whys and hows that went into fielding these weapons, but that subject is not covered that I can find. If there is someone who would be kind enough to point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful. I had a link to Army equipment drawings, but I seem to have misplaced it.
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Post by Trooper » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:05 pm

p.339 column 1... :)
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Post by TL Foster » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:29 pm

Yes, that washer. :thumbup: I'm looking for the specifications for the leather washer. :think: I'm still searching for the drawing.
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Post by Trooper » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:01 am

Specification and dimensions not mentioned in found documents.
Suggest tracing around mouth of scabbard and increasing by say 15- 20%.
Slot for blade slightly larger than dimensions at ricasso shown in detail B of SA Drawing C120-02-132 page327 of the book.
Hope this helps a bit. :)
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Post by TL Foster » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:08 pm

That's about what I've been doing. The edge goes about 6-10mm, with a ten mm thickness. I cut the slot a little small for a tight fit. To others this may seem a bit over the top for such a fiddly bit, but this was an item that would be replaced at the unit level by the saddler. The washer serves to minimize damage and wear to the guard and scabbard mouth finish. As a skilled leather worker, it would seem to me that there would at least be drawings that he could refer to in making repairs to all items he worked on. Other than display items, or museum storage, I don't think there are very many original washers out there.
To highjack my own thread, does any one know what US Cavalry used in the field to weather (water) proof leather?
Again, many thanks to Trooper, and his book, Swords and Sabers of the United States Army 1867-1918.
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Post by TL Foster » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:25 pm

To answer my own question, the 1917 Manual for NCO and Privates page 56 Para 975 say to use a 50/50 mix of Neats Foot Oil and mutton tallow on leather parts.
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Post by Pat Holscher » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:55 am

TL Foster wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:25 pm
To answer my own question, the 1917 Manual for NCO and Privates page 56 Para 975 say to use a 50/50 mix of Neats Foot Oil and mutton tallow on leather parts.
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Wow, that can't be good for long term preservation.
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Post by TL Foster » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:08 pm

Very true. IMHO, leather was an limited life item. The unit saddler was expected to be able replace or repair any item made of leather. The idea of leather lasting beyond a few years at most, likely never came to mind.
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