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cailynne
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Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:48 pm

Hello All,
I got this saddle off of ebay about a year ago. It was listed as a 1904 McClellan.
It doesn't have the same looks as a true McClellan though. It is lacking the slots on the cantle and the pommel has a different shape to it, it is thicker than any of the McClellan's that I have seen in person and in pictures. It also has a lot of d-rings.
I found another saddle on ebay that is identical to mine that is listed as a replica..these are not the same sellers either.
They both have a plain leather underside. If anyone has any ideas of what I might actually have I would appreciate it.
Hopefully you can all see the picture I attached, I tried using the icon to attach a pic but it wouldn't work for me.
Thanks, Lisa

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Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:52 am

Unfortunately, the facebook link isn't working for me.

If you would like to attach the image, use the "Attachments" tab below, which is next to the "Options" tab, just after the "Save Draft, Preview, Submit" buttons.

The little icon image thing above the message box isn't all that useful for these kind of things :eh:
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:28 am

let's see if i did this right
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:12 am

Here are the photos from the one on ebay right now.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:20 am

The Ebay photos aren't working for me either, and I don't have that good of a view of the saddle on the mule, but given that it appears you have plastic stirrups, I'm wondering if you have one of the dreaded central Asian "McClellan" copies.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:31 am

The stirrups and leathers were missing when I got my saddle..I replaced those. I will get some better pictures today.
How would I know if it is a knock-off?
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:52 am

Just my opinion on this one -

This appears to be a somewhat older (10-15 years old) import McClellan copy, probably of pakistani or indian origin. The new ones that are being brought in and sold at places like State Line Tack have a little more refinement to some details, but even worse overall form. I never have understood how come these imports are so poorly rendered, as it wouldn't take the makers much effort to make them truer to the original.

Key details:

Hard angled edges on pommel
Chrome-plated dee rings for stirrups and other loops
Chrome-plated screws and small rings
No saddlebag stud
No rivets seen (chromed tube rivets if any to be found)

To tell the truth, this isn't the worse looking import I've seen - the predecessors I saw from mid-1980s was much cruder in shape (think those angular edges all over).
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Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:27 pm

I agree fully with Todd.

I wish somebody would take one of these apart to see what the tree is made of. The one of these I've handled felt like it had a hollow plastic tree, but that's the only example of one I've scene in person.

On how you'd know if it was a "knock off", a good look at a real 1904 will given the necessary clues. These just aren't that similar when viewed close up. And they lack the stampings that a real military saddle would have.

These are held in very poor regards here, as you can no doubt tell.
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Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:39 pm

Pat Holscher wrote:I agree fully with Todd.

I wish somebody would take one of these apart to see what the tree is made of. The one of these I've handled felt like it had a hollow plastic tree, but that's the only example of one I've scene in person.

On how you'd know if it was a "knock off", a good look at a real 1904 will given the necessary clues. These just aren't that similar when viewed close up. And they lack the stampings that a real military saddle would have.

These are held in very poor regards here, as you can no doubt tell.
The first of the 'modern' imports I saw some 30 years ago were so poorly covered that you could see the tree through various gaps - and I think you're onto something about it, Pat. IIRC, it looked like some kind of white plastic, probably a dense foamboard, that had been roughly cut and assembled.
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Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:41 pm

I got some more pictures of my saddle, hopefully the show some better detail. Even if it is a re-production it will serve me well on my donkey.
It is pretty comfortable for me..just gotta get accustomed to the hard seat over time and rides.
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Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:54 am

Hi all,

the tree is way too narrow for the donkeys back! Just my first impression, besides that it is a bad copy Mac.

Cheers

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Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:31 pm

Well, at least that part of the copy is accurate to the original WW1 trees... ! :wtf:
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Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:55 am

As a total aside, I've never personally witnessed anyone actually riding a donkey.

I notice that in the photos I see of that taken in the US (which aren't all that common) the practice seems to be to ride them in the same fashion as a horse or mule. In the Middle East, where riding them seems common, people seem to sit either side saddle on them, with no actual saddle, or all the way on their rear.

North American donkeys seem to be quite large, considering that they are donkeys, as a rule.

Not all donkeys have all that night of temperaments. What are they like to ride?
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